EP 11: Tabitha Barnes Allegations (Part 1 of 3)
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Episode 11 ׀ Daniel Holtzclaw: Tabitha Barnes Allegations (Part 1 of 3)
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00:10 [OPENING AUDIO COLLAGE]
Newscaster: Officer Daniel Holtzclaw, with the Police Department for three years, is accused of raping and sexually assaulting women he pulled over while on the job.
Jannie Liggons: He said, ‘Come on, come on, just a minute, just a minute’. I say, ‘Sir, I can’t do this’. I say, ‘you gonna shoot...’
Det. Kim Davis: Tell me your description of him.
Sherri Ellis: He’s black.
Det. Kim Davis: He’s b—okay, black male.
Det. Kim Davis: What did your daughter tell you?
Amanda Gates: She said, ‘I met this really hot cop’.
Shardayreon Hill: So, this is good evidence?
Det. Rocky Gregory: Well, you tell me.
[OPENING AUDIO COLLAGE ENDS]
Timestamp: The following episode contains investigative events which occurred August 14 through August 17, 2014.
01:00
Host: Welcome back to Bates Investigates - Season One: In Defense of Daniel Holtzclaw. This is episode eleven. I am your host, Private Investigator, Brian Bates, and I am breaking down the case of the State of Oklahoma vs. former Oklahoma City Police Officer Daniel Holtzclaw. As a member of Holtzclaw’s jury trial criminal defense team, I am presenting this serialized podcast from the perspective of the prosecution, but with the scrutiny of the defense. In the investigative timeline, it is August 14, 2014, and Oklahoma City Police Sex Crimes Detective Rocky Gregory is seeking what he believes to be are additional victims of then patrol officer, Daniel Holtzclaw. Detective Gregory begins his official report of this date with the following notation: “At 1400 hours, I went to try to locate Tabitha Barnes at her residence in the fifteen hundred block of Northeast Fifteenth Street. In looking at suspect Holtzclaw’s record checks of females, Tabitha Barnes’ name stood out. Also, initially, she matched a possible profile set aside by Lieutenant Muzny.” That profile is the “list” made by Lieutenant Muzny that later will be denied to actually exist.
02:27
According to Detective Gregory’s report, he did locate Tabitha Barnes at her home in Northeast Oklahoma City. And, like with so many of the black females with criminal histories that he profiled, he began his conversation by stating: “I introduced myself and advised that I had a tip that maybe she had been the victim of an unreported sexual assault.” We don’t know if he added the words ‘by an Oklahoma City Police Officer’, and we don’t know that because Detective Gregory conveniently decides when he will and when he won’t record his investigative conversations. We can only assume that he most likely did use those words and simply didn’t bother to note it in his report. Why can we make that assumption? Because we already know; he does use those words in all of his recorded interactions. Well, except those with young, white, bikini models living in Edmond, as I pointed out in the beginning of episode ten. Regardless, according to his report, Detective Gregory apparently has an entire conversation with Tabitha Barnes wherein she claims, “She was indeed touched inappropriately by an officer. Tabitha advised that an OCPD officer had been harassing her on more than one occasion.”
03:56
What happens next, especially when taken into context with the entirety of Detective Gregory’s investigation, really concerns me. And it should actually concern anyone who values the integrity of criminal investigations. According to his official investigative report, upon Barnes’ alleged admission of inappropriate behavior by Holtzclaw, Detective Gregory contacted Lieutenant Muzny by phone and asked him to come to their location to sit in on the interview. However, what he allegedly doesn’t do, is bother to audio record any of what was apparently a long, very detailed, and very odd interview. According to Detective Gregory’s report, Tabitha Barnes details an initial interaction wherein Holtzclaw allegedly made her expose herself and then allegedly touched her breasts. Barnes then begins to tell Detective Gregory and Lieutenant Muzny about a second encounter with Holtzclaw. However, she apparently begins to nod off and can’t even remain conscious. I’m guessing her speech probably was fairly erratic and unintelligible at this point. Detective Gregory notes in his report that they are unable to proceed with the interview, and that they agree to leave and come back the following morning at 10:00 a.m.
05:22
Gregory tries to downplay this as simply Barnes’ reaction to prescription Ambien and the fact she claims to have been up all night taking care of her grandbaby. I’d be okay with giving Barnes the benefit of the doubt, if it wasn’t for the fact Detective Gregory conveniently claims he didn’t record any of this interaction. And then later, at trial, we find out that Barnes often smokes crack cocaine, and then Barnes actually shows up to testify while high on PCP: a fact that was only confirmed when trial judge, Timothy Henderson, ordered Barnes to undergo a drug test on the spot. Regardless, when Detective Gregory returned the following morning at the pre-arranged time, Barnes was nowhere to be found. According to Gregory, he returned to Barnes’ residence at least five times, and called her contact numbers to no avail over the next couple of days. Finally, on August 17, at about 2:15 in the afternoon, Detective Gregory was able to locate Barnes at her home. Barnes claimed that she had caught up on her sleep and was able to continue with the interview. Unlike the first interview, Detective Gregory did record this interaction. The following is the complete audio recording of that meeting.
06:46 [RECORDING BEGINS]
[SHUFFLING NOISES]
Det. Rocky Gregory: What is today’s date, Tabitha? Do you know?
Tabitha Barnes: Eighteenth, I think.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Seventeenth.
Tabitha Barnes: Oh.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Detective Gregory, Oklahoma City Police Department. I’m here with Tabitha Banks, here in front of her-
Tabitha Barnes: Barnes.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Barnes? I’m sorry. Too many names. [laughter] I apologize. Here at, uh [redacted] Northeast Fifteenth. We’re here to finish up our interview. We spoke briefly the other day but we’re gonna go ahead and finish it today. Tabitha wanted to, uh, complete the interview. All right.
07:20 [RECORDING SOUND CHANGES]
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. On the, uh, what is your middle name, Tabitha?
Tabitha Barnes: Jean.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Gene? G-E-N-E?
Tabitha Barnes: J-E-A-N.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Oh, okay. All right. All right. And your date of birth?
Tabitha Barnes: [redacted]
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. What’s your social?
Tabitha Barnes: [redacted]
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. All right. Now, um, we had completed everything on the first incident, right?
Tabitha Barnes: [inaudible due to yawning]
Det. Rocky Gregory: Right. Where it was snow on the ground. You said it was the fourth, but you don’t know what month. And that’s where the—the stop was right here.
Tabitha Barnes: That was March.
Det. Rocky Gregory: That was March?
Tabitha Barnes: March 4th about 12:30.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, but we—that’s the we had already covered. Correct?
Tabitha Barnes: Uh huh.
Det. Rocky Gregory: The other day when Lieutenant Muzny, where—was…
Tabitha Barnes: Uh huh.
Det. Rocky Gregory: And then you pulled into here and they ended up dispersing, he—he, after everybody was gone, and that’s when he had you lift your shirt up, and then he also lifted your breasts, correct?
Tabitha Barnes: Yes.
Det. Rocky Gregory: E—everything, that was, that—that was the first incident. Correct?
Tabitha Barnes: That was the first incident.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. So that was March 4th. Okay. And I will—I will put that down. Okay. Uh, you seem a lot more clear—clear minded today. The other day you was pretty tired wasn’t you?
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah, I got—oh, god, I had that baby. It cry too much. Took my Ambien, I was sleepy. [laughter]
8:49
Det. Rocky Gregory: Well, I know, yeah, yeah. You, uh, you were pretty tired that day, but…
Tabitha Barnes: I took my Ambien and I was ready to go to sleep. I was tired.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. So I’ve got that—that part down pretty good.
Tabitha Barnes: Uh huh.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Correct? He didn’t touch you any other way except for lifting the breasts that time.
Tabitha Barnes: Uh huh. Yeah.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. Now, we were getting ready to talk about the second incident.
Tabitha Barnes: The second incident, um…
Det. Rocky Gregory: How much later?
Tabitha Barnes: Oh, about two weeks.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Two weeks, okay?
Tabitha Barnes: I pulled up and my—someone had broken out my house. There for—my, my landlord hadn’t fixed the door, the door just be—was just open. And I pulled up, there was another guy, well, I pulled on the side over here, and there was a guy in the grass, so that’s what I thought he—the police was here for. No, he—it was him.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Was the police already here when you arrived?
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah, he was.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Where was he parked?
Tabitha Barnes: Right here.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Right over here?
Tabitha Barnes: Right in the middle of the street.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, what time did you—you said this was two weeks later, what time of day are we looking at?
Tabitha Barnes: About 9:30 [through yawn].
Det. Rocky Gregory: About what?
Tabitha Barnes: Excuse m—bout 9:30 at night.
Det. Rocky Gregory: 9:30 p.m., okay.
Tabitha Barnes: 9:30.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
Tabitha Barnes: And he had been all in my house.
Det. Rocky Gregory: How do you—so when you pull up here, you parked over there…
Tabitha Barnes: Cause I seen a guy laying out in the grass…
Det. Rocky Gregory: And the police was here.
Tabitha Barnes: And that’s what I thought they was here for.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, and you go where?
Tabitha Barnes: I get out the car. He called me by name in the grass to tell me to come here.
Det. Rocky Gregory: The—the officer?
Tabitha Barnes: Mm hmm.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. So the officer’s standing outside?
10:24
Tabitha Barnes: When he seen me pull up, he gets out his car, and I’m—I’m looking at the guy on the grass. And he s—called me by my name, told me to come here.
Det. Rocky Gregory: What’s he call you by?
Tabitha Barnes: Tabitha. I’m like, ‘What is it now?’ And he said, ‘You got drugs on you?’ I said, ‘Why do you keep asking me if I do I have drugs? If I had dr’—my, uh, something was cut off. My gas. Said, ‘If I sold drugs do you think I’d be in a cold house waiting on DHS to pay my rent—I mean pay my, my gas bill?!’ ‘Let me talk to you again.’ So he, a guy friend of mine was over here and he was sleep while he was all in my house. He said, ‘I just walked all through your house.’ Da-duh-duh-duh-duh. I was, like, ‘Okay, did yo—y-y-you didn’t see nothing my in home, you know, illegally. Why do you keep harassing me? ‘ ‘Well, get in the car.’ That’s when I get in the car. He told me to get into the car again. So, I got into the back seat. And uh, he told my daughter—I sa—say, ‘You—‘, I say, ‘You scaring my child.’ ‘Me?’ I say, ‘Yeah, you.’ So, he told Ariana Barnes to come here. He said, ‘Are you—am I scaring you?’ He said, ‘Yea’ —she said, ‘Yes, why do you keep bothering my momma?’ Cause I, I talks to my—my girls and I told them what happened. Well, uh, he was, like, asked me again, ‘Do you got anything on you?’ I said, ‘No.’ Asked me to raise up my shirt again. I done it. Which, I didn’t have a bra on at the time.
Det. Rocky Gregory: You did?
Tabitha Barnes: I didn’t.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Didn’t, okay.
12:03
Tabitha Barnes: Asked me do I have anything in my pants and I said no, and he asked me, ‘Let me see.’ And I just did—he didn’t put his hands in it, he, I just did like this. You know, had—I had on some leggings. And he just, you know, said, ‘Open, open your leggings.’ And that’s when there was a twenty dollar bill in the backseat, and he was like, ‘You didn’t take my money, did you?’ I said, ‘Take your money for what?’ I didn’t even notice the twenty dollars until he said something, so I looked and there was a twenty dollar bill in the backseat. Um, ran my name again. Like, um, ‘When you gonna take care of your tickets?’ I said, ‘My—me and my father’s working on it.’ Um… he let me go again. Two days later.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. I’m—I’ma stop you there, okay? Cause I wanted you to run down through it to have a, a clear mind, okay? Now I’m gonna back you up on that one. I wanna cover everything, okay? The more you cover with me, hopefully you won’t have to cover this, you know, later on, unless you want to, okay? That—that’s my game plan. Okay. Now, I do know it’s two weeks after March, so we’re still in March. It’s 9:30 p.m. You park over here on Jordan.
Tabitha Barnes: On the side of the house.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
Tabitha Barnes: Cause I was saying…
Det. Rocky Gregory: And he is parked here.
Tabitha Barnes: In the middle of the street.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Here on, uh, Northeast Fifteenth.
Tabitha Barnes: Mm hmm.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. Who—who is with you in the car?
Tabitha Barnes: Me, my, my eleven year old, and my son.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, your eleven year old is who? Is that…
Tabitha Barnes: Arianna.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Arianna. Okay, and your son?
Tabitha Barnes: Marcus.
Det. Rocky Gregory: How old’s Marcus?
Tabitha Barnes: Se—he’s seven.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, all right. So, he says, ‘Come here.’ Whe—you say there was a guy in your grass?
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah, just laying there. And I’m like, ‘You over here harassing me. Why you won’t—who is this? Who is this? What’s going on? Wh—wh…’ You know, I’m thinking something wrong with the guy. He kicks the guy, told him to get up and move on. Didn’t ask him his name, what’s wrong with you, do you need an ambulance, nothing. Kicks the guy, ‘Get up! Move on!’
14:10
Det. Rocky Gregory: And the guy moves.
Tabitha Barnes: Mm hmm.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Wh—what did the guy look like?
Tabitha Barnes: I—I—I—I don’t know. It was, like, there’s so many people be up—up and through here, I don’t—I don’t—I don’t know ho—I didn’t even know the guy.
Det. Rocky Gregory: White guy? Black guy?
Tabitha Barnes: Black. He was black.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, but unknown. Okay. So, that guy moved on?
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah, he took—moved—walked that way.
Det. Rocky Gregory: So, he moved Northbound here on—on Jordan. Okay. All right. But he tells you to come here. Does he sit you in the police car?
Tabitha Barnes: Mmm, yes. In the backseat.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. Okay, and your kids are still in the car?
Tabitha Barnes: No, they got out. Was standing in the yard.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. Okay. Now this—this is the part where I—I—I’m gonna really slow down. He takes you, puts you in the car, backseat. What side were you on?
Tabitha Barnes: His side.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, so you were on the driver’s side. Okay. What’s he do next? Soon as you—he says come here, puts you in the back seat, did he already search you?
Tabitha Barnes: No.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, so he sits you down.
Tabitha Barnes: He always put me in the backseat.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. And what’s he say?
Tabitha Barnes: Asks me the same thing.
Det. Rocky Gregory: What did he say?
Tabitha Barnes: ‘You take care of your tickets?’ I said, ‘I’m working on it.’ Then that’s when he asked me, ‘You got drugs on you?’ And that’s when I say, ‘If I had so—if I sold drugs, my gas wouldn’t be off. I wouldn’t be waiting on DHS to help me pay my bills.’
Det. Rocky Gregory: So, you said no on the tickets?
Tabitha Barnes: I said, yeah, no.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. Let me catch up on my notes, okay? I’m sorry, I’m a slow writer. I—you’re doing good, Tabitha. Um… [long pause] pay for the electric? Is that what you told me?
Tabitha Barnes: My gas.
15:59
Det. Rocky Gregory: Pay for gas. Okay. All right, what’s the next thing he said? He says, ‘You got any drugs.’ You tell him...
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah, that’s when he…
Det. Rocky Gregory: That bill and paying the gas. Okay, I got that.
Tabitha Barnes: He said, uh, ‘Could you lift your shir—can I see?’ I said, that’s when I said, I think I said again, ‘Why the—why you always coming over here by yourself and there ain’t nobo—you know, a—a lady detective with you? Why do you always wanna see me, you know, with—and you by yourself?!’ And I went ahead and did it again. And he was, like, I think...
Det. Rocky Gregory: Now, is this before he talked to your daughter?
Tabitha Barnes: Mm, he—yeah, before he talked to Arianna.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. Okay. So the kids are where?
Tabitha Barnes: Standing in the yard.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
Tabitha Barnes: And she was standing there.
Det. Rocky Gregory: So, why, why by yourself. What does he say after you s—you ask him why you always by yourself trying to see me?
Tabitha Barnes: He didn’t really say nothing. He didn’t comment on it. He was like, I wanna say he said, ‘I’m doing you a favor.’ Of what?
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
Tabitha Barnes: And.
Det. Rocky Gregory: What’s, what’s he say…
Tabitha Barnes: [inaudible] I can remember.
Det. Rocky Gregory: What’s he say or do next? After you confront him about…
Tabitha Barnes: He get out his car. He get out the front seat. Open up the backseat. W—and he was like, ‘Before I let you out, d—uh—I gotta check you.’ Uh…
Det. Rocky Gregory: Did he already run you yet?
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah, I was sitting right there when he ran me.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, so, you—he—he had run you during this time period? Was it over the radio?
Tabitha Barnes: Yes.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Did he pull you up on the screen?
17:35
Tabitha Barnes: I—uh, bout to think, nah, I didn’t look at the—I, I know he was messing with the screen, but I could hear the lady.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, okay.
Tabitha Barnes: That ran back, you know, told him what, that I had the ticket.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. ‘Before I let you go…’ he said what?
Tabitha Barnes: Do I, do you, asked me again do I have drugs on me. I said, ‘No’. And that’s when he was saying, ‘Well, I’ma have to check you.’ And, I raised my shirt up.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
Tabitha Barnes: He looked.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Hang on, one second, ‘I’m bout to check you?’
Tabitha Barnes: ‘I’ma have to.’ ‘I’m a have to check you.’
Det. Rocky Gregory: ‘Have’ to. Did he tell you to raise your shirt or what did he…
Tabitha Barnes: Mm hmm. Yes.
Det. Rocky Gregory: How did he say it?
Tabitha Barnes: ‘Lift your shirt up.’ And I did like this. I said, ‘I don’t have nothing on me.’
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, so…
Tabitha Barnes: He said, ‘You got anything your pants?’
Det. Rocky Gregory: So, it wasn’t the whole belly thing? It was all the way up.
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah.
Det. Rocky Gregory: So, you lift it all the way up, because that’s what he had you do before?
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah. It was, like, it was the same routine.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Let me ask you this, Tabitha. Did you go to the belly or did you just automatically go up?
Tabitha Barnes: Just automatically go up.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Automatic. Okay. So, you had no bra on, correct?
Tabitha Barnes: Unh uh. [inaudible] Not that time. The first time I did.
Det. Rocky Gregory: The first time you did have a bra?
Tabitha Barnes: Mm hmm.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Oh, I thought you said, the other day, you did not have a bra.
Tabitha Barnes: Unh uh, the first time I had a bra on because I lifted it up.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Uh huh.
Tabitha Barnes: Lifted the bra up. And it wasn’t good enough for him. That’s when he lifted up my breast. This time, I know I didn’t have no bra on.
Det. Rocky Gregory: On—on—on the first time, that he picked up your bare breasts.
Tabitha Barnes: Mm hmm.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
Tabitha Barnes: I—I had, cause I just did like this with my shirt and my bra.
Det. Rocky Gregory: And then he had you expose them.
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah.
19:20
Det. Rocky Gregory: So you had to pull your bra up over the breasts on that first time.
Tabitha Barnes: And, with my shirt.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Is that correct? Is that what you said?
Tabitha Barnes: Yes. With my shirt.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. I’ll make that correction in my report. I—I misunderstood you, I didn’t think you had a bra on that first time. So, you did have a bra, he just had you pull it up and then he lifts it up. Okay, this time you had no bra…
Tabitha Barnes: Mm hmm.
Det. Rocky Gregory: So your breasts are exposed. And what’s he say?
Tabitha Barnes: ‘You got anything in your pants?’ I said, ‘No.’ And he was, like, just kept looking at it, and then he was like, ‘Let me see.’ And I s—I had on leggings or tights, and I did, like, I pulled em to—out and he just looked and he was like, ‘Okay, I’ma let you go this time.’ Then he, uh, let me see, he said ‘I’ma let you go this time.’ I say about two weeks later…
Det. Rocky Gregory: H—Hang on one second. Okay, so this time he did not touch your breasts?
Tabitha Barnes: He just looked.
Det. Rocky Gregory: And he did not touch your—your, uh, vagina?
Tabitha Barnes: No.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. So, no touching.
Tabitha Barnes: The second time.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, but you sa—you mentioned earlier, that this is where you saw the twenty dollar bill?
Tabitha Barnes: This—yeah, that second time, I seen a twenty dollar bill in the backseat.
Det. Rocky Gregory: What did he say about the twenty? He said something.
Tabitha Barnes: He said, ‘Don’t touch...’ Uh, ‘Make sure my twenty dollars is back there.’ And I was, like, what, I said, ‘Nah.’ I said, ‘I had twenty dollars too.’ Cause I had it in my bra. Tell him I had it in my bra either my hand, I know I had twenty dollars. I was like, ‘Hold up. I got twenty dollars too.’ And then I looked in the back and there was a twenty dollar bill in his backseat. I said, ‘I didn’t touch your twenty dollars.’ And I said…
Det. Rocky Gregory: What’d he say he had the twenty dollars for?
Tabitha Barnes: That’s what I said. I said, ‘And what’s the twenty dollars for?’ He said, ‘I got my reasons.’ Got my reasons.
Det. Rocky Gregory: So there, that was his twenty in the back?
Tabitha Barnes: And when I got out, it was st—it remainded in the same spot in the backseat.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Where was it back there?
Tabitha Barnes: In the middle.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Right in the middle? Could you see it when you sat down?
Tabitha Barnes: Wel—wel—I wasn’t looking, but when he mentioned it when I got out, I looked.
Det. Rocky Gregory: And you could see it.
Tabitha Barnes: And I looked and I seen it.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, so…
Tabitha Barnes: And he, he came back.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Hang, hang on one second, Tabitha. You said—sto—so he never did have your kids go inside, right?
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah. He told…
Det. Rocky Gregory: On the s—on the second time?
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah, he said, ‘She’s okay. You can go in.’
21:46
Det. Rocky Gregory: You said something about scaring the kids and…
Tabitha Barnes: I told him that. I said, ‘You keep—you—you frightening my kids. You keep coming over here.’ And he told her to come here. And, uh, I was—he’s like, ‘I’ma—she’s not—she’s okay. I’m not—I’m just talking to her about some things. Ya’ll can go ahead and go in.’ But, my thing is, okay, he went in my house for no reason, was not called to go into—side my home.
Det. Rocky Gregory: He said he was already in there?
Tabitha Barnes: He told me this.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Wh—wh—who was inside?
Tabitha Barnes: Terry Williams.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Who’s Terry Williams?
Tabitha Barnes: A ex friend of mine.
Det. Rocky Gregory: How do I get ahold of Terry?
Tabitha Barnes: Uh, he in Lawton.
Det. Rocky Gregory: You gotta…
Tabitha Barnes: I—I’ll give him your number.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. Can you give me his number too?
Tabitha Barnes: He, he lost that phone, that’s why I said I’ll give him your number. But he was sleep. He was sleep in the house, he said, that—that, cause I told him what happened. What he made me do. He was like, ‘You do something about that.’ I said, ‘Now who’s gonna believe me over a police officer’s word?’
Det. Rocky Gregory: But he tells you he was inside and Terry was there?
Tabitha Barnes: Yes! He was sleep. Terry was sleep in my home.
Det. Rocky Gregory: So, he knew he was asleep.
Tabitha Barnes: He knew it.
Det. Rocky Gregory: And he said…
Tabitha Barnes: ‘I been all in your house.’ I said, ‘For what reason?’ I said, ‘You just walking out—‘. I said, ‘Okay, okay. You been in my house. Okay. So? I’m not hiding nothing. Nothing’s in my home.’ This is what got me. I wanna say the next day, seem like he might have just came on duty.
Det. Rocky Gregory: H—h—hang on Tabitha. And I know you wanna get on to the next deal, I just wanna cover this. He said he was all up in the house and there was a guy asleep on the couch.
Tabitha Barnes: No, in the room.
Det. Rocky Gregory: In the room?
Tabitha Barnes: In the room. Terry said when he woke up, the, he woke him up with a flashlight in his face.
Det. Rocky Gregory: And what’d he say? What’d Terry say?
Tabitha Barnes: He asked him, a—asked him his name again. I guess, ran his name and left out, but who knows how long he was in the house.
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Det. Rocky Gregory: Mmm… okay, so Terry? Do you know how to… T-E-R-R-Y?
Tabitha Barnes: Mm hmm.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Williams.
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah. Who knows…
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, and he said he ran him?
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah, Terry said he, uh, cause there, we had a incident, uh, uh, when Sho—we call him Shorty—when Shorty and his friend get off, when he—when they get off of work they would come over and chill with me when they got off of work. And, uh, Jesse, uh, I don’t know Jesse’s last name, but I could get it, when they got off of work they was sitting right here. I mean, he wo—he pulled Jesse out the truck one day, told him he had on makeup, that he was gay. They had just got off of work. I mean, just would just come here just, I don’t know what his thing was.
Det. Rocky Gregory: You talking about the cop?
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
Tabitha Barnes: Told him he had on makeup. That he was gay. And, all kinda stuff. Oh, okay, another thing. He came—they came back because, like, a hot—okay, we gonna rewind that because… the… after he made me…
Det. Rocky Gregory: [burp] Excuse me.
Tabitha Barnes: Okay, after, after he made me show m—after the ice cream situation, which is when we was gonna get ice cream. I wanna say three days or something later, a guy broke in my home. And there, we was having a, uh, slumber party. So, it was a lot of girls. My—add more kids.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Before this time that we just talked about?
Tabitha Barnes: Mm hmm.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
Tabitha Barnes: And he was one of the officer’s that showed up, out of probably ten.
Det. Rocky Gregory: But nothing happened that day?
Tabitha Barnes: No. He kept asking me where’s all the girls that was in the house.
Det. Rocky Gregory: But that day that their slumber party thing, he didn’t do anything to you?
Tabitha Barnes: Unh uh. That’s when he started coming. Afterwards. That’s when he started coming.
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Det. Rocky Gregory: So, slumber party.
Tabitha Barnes: We went to eat.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Lots of kids?
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah. Lotta girls—it was the girls though.
Det. Rocky Gregory: But there was, there was more cops.
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah, when I—cause I had to call em for the break in. I had to call em for the break in, so but he seen—I gue—everybody was at the house, they was all girl...
Det. Rocky Gregory: So, he was talking about that?
Tabitha Barnes: Little girls.
Det. Rocky Gregory: And then this, this other time was days later. That’s when he had you sit in the car.
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah, he asked me about that.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Parked over there.
Tabitha Barnes: He was like where’s all…
Det. Rocky Gregory: But he said he was all up in your house.
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Did he say anything specific about your house?
Tabitha Barnes: No, he was just like, ‘I was all in your house.’ I said, ‘Why would you be in my home? I didn’t call you. You should be taking care of the guy that was on the ground.’
Det. Rocky Gregory: Te—was Terry a boyfriend or what is he?
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. So he was in your bedroom?
Tabitha Barnes: Actually, the, uh, yeah. My son’s room. Sleep.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, make sure you get me Terry’s name, okay? Or, his phone num—pass on, I need to get ahold of him. Okay. So this next thing, so he didn’t touch you on that, but then the next time, how much later are—are we? Let’s—let’s go to that time.
Tabitha Barnes: He that—that’s—a—this—this is when it ended. He came over.
Det. Rocky Gregory: How much later? What?
Tabitha Barnes: The next day.
Det. Rocky Gregory: So, okay, so, two weeks, plus a day.
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah. Matter of fact, I wanna say, like, a month ago, he came too. But I didn’t open the door, I was looking at him through the window.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Was he in uniform?
Tabitha Barnes: Mm hmm.
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Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, so two weeks, so it’s the very next day.
Tabitha Barnes: Oh, okay, he came, and I opened up the door. I was cooking. And I didn’t know what to do so I called my mother in Texas to let her listen. Cause he would always ask me for my phone. Every time the—the—first times, but I was in my house this time.
Det. Rocky Gregory: But this is the next day after he sat you out here in his car?
Tabitha Barnes: Mm hmm. Came over here. He was like…
Det. Rocky Gregory: Bout what time?
Tabitha Barnes: Bou—I knew his hours too, about 4:30.
Det. Rocky Gregory: 4:30 during the day.
Tabitha Barnes: Mm hmm. He had just come on duty because you could smell his cologne and he wasn’t—he, he didn’t look like he had just, you know, been out—he ain’t been out. He looked like he just came on.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
Tabitha Barnes: So…
Det. Rocky Gregory: So, he comes to the door, he knocks.
Tabitha Barnes: Mm hmm…. knocks. Knocks hard, knocks hard. My brother was here then, Danny Brown.
Det. Rocky Gregory: You said you called your mother?
Tabitha Barnes: I called my mom on my phone. I was already telling her that I was tired of him, you know, wanting to see my body and I didn’t know what to do about it. My mother’s, uh, lives in Texas.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
Tabitha Barnes: So, he said…
Det. Rocky Gregory: You opened the door.
Tabitha Barnes: I opened the door.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
Tabitha Barnes: He was like, ‘What are you doing?’ I said, ‘Cooking dinner for my kids.’ He said, ‘Can I come in?’ I said, ‘No!’ ‘So you not gon—uh… I need to come search your house for drugs.’ I said, ‘You wanna come search my house for drugs?’ I said, ‘I don’t know where you getting your information from, but it’s the wrong information, first of all.’ I said, ‘Second of all, you just told me you was all in my house last night. If you, you know, if—if anything was in my home, you would’ve seen it then...’ was my point. So, he said, ‘So, you not gonna let me in?’ I said—nah, he said, ‘Who here with you?’ I said, ‘Me and my kids.’ I didn’t even tell him my brother was with me. I said, ‘Me and my kids.’ And he was like, ‘So, you not gonna let me in?’ And I said, ‘No.’ He said, ‘All right.’ Start talk—I, I don’t know what he mumbled under his breath. What he, what he mumbled under his breath. And, he was like, ‘I’m helping you. I’m doing you a favor. You haven’t paid your fucking tickets.’ I heard him say that. He said, ‘And I’ll be back.’ I was, like, okay. And that was in May, so May 1st my mom had a heart attack. Okay.
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Det. Rocky Gregory: This was… wait, wait, you said the first incident was March 4th. You said two weeks later was this incident and that would still be in March.
Tabitha Barnes: March, so if… no, I said in May. Me. In May, I left, like, May 1st.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Oh you left?
Tabitha Barnes: And I never seen him. I never seen him again. And then…
Det. Rocky Gregory: Where did yo—oh, where did you go? Down to your momma’s?
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah, I left for three months.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, so, okay, and that was the last time you actually had any dealings with him?
Tabitha Barnes: Face to face.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
Tabitha Barnes: When he wanted to come in. What reason, I don’t know.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. Let me kinda cover this just a—a—a little bit more. Okay? The first time was March 4th. That’s where he had you lift your shirt and your bra and that’s where he lifted up your breasts.
Tabitha Barnes: Yes.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Kinda about where we’re parked right now.
Tabitha Barnes: Right here.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Do—uh, there’s a call at your house. This is in reference to the break in. He comes with other officers. There’s dealings with a slumber party, but he doesn’t do anything to you then.
Tabitha Barnes: No.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. Cause there was other officers.
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah, I, I went my own self and I told, you know, the man had broke in my house. We—we—we actually held him down until the officers got here.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Th—is he the main officer on that call? Okay.
Tabitha Barnes: [random noise]
Det. Rocky Gregory: Then, then it was two weeks after the first incident, that’s when he pulled you back here, he had you lift your shirt all the way, and then he asked to see down your pants. Could he see your vagina on that second time?
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Did you have—you had on what color of leggings?
Tabitha Barnes: Unh uh. I had on black leggings, but no panties. I don’t wear—I didn’t have no underwear.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Did he know you didn’t have any underwear?
Tabitha Barnes: Not at, not at the time, at, you know, I’m sure he didn’t.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
Tabitha Barnes: Until…
Det. Rocky Gregory: In going along with that, he has you pull… how does he ask to see, ‘Got anything down your pants?’
Tabitha Barnes: I did like this, ‘No, I don’t.’ He said—d—h—he had his flashlight.
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Det. Rocky Gregory: Oh, he was looking down?
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah, he had his flashlight. I said, ‘No, I do not.’
Det. Rocky Gregory: So you just flipped it out?
Tabitha Barnes: Yeah.
Det. Rocky Gregory: And then, does he say anything when you flip it out?
Tabitha Barnes: He never says nothing but ‘mmm’.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, was your legs faced out here?
Tabitha Barnes: No, they were still in the car.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. Okay, so then you had your, uh, so he—but he didn’t touch you? He just, it was lifting the shirt? Okay. What kind of a shirt did you have on then?
Tabitha Barnes: I basically, my—I wear a lot of t-shirts, so it was probably a, like, a white t-shirt.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
Tabitha Barnes: Basic—cause I wear a lot of t-shirts.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. Could your s—kids see any of this?
Tabitha Barnes: No.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Were they out there?
Tabitha Barnes: I think Arianna was on the porch, but…
Det. Rocky Gregory: Did he ask to see your breasts or touch your breasts?
Tabitha Barnes: When?
Det. Rocky Gregory: On the second time.
Tabitha Barnes: No, he just—al—he wh—he just asked me to raise my shirt up. Lis—asked me did I ha—he always say, ‘Do you got drugs on you?’ I would say, ‘No. I don’t know where you getting your information.’ He was like, ‘Well, I’ma have to check you, can you raise your shirt?’ I mean, and I mean, just, like, he would drive by my house every day. I got to the point where I wouldn’t even come outside. Like, I would bar—cause I didn’t want him messing with me. I would just watch him do other girls like that on the side of my—I would look out the window.
Det. Rocky Gregory: What do you mean?
Tabitha Barnes: [inaudible due to yawning] They could be walking and he could be, uh, just stop them randomly. Uh…
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Det. Rocky Gregory: Do you know of anybody that he’s done this to?
Tabitha Barnes: I didn’t know—I don’t know no—nobody over here so, I mean, I would call my daughter. I’d be, like, look, look, look, he doing it to them. And I seen him once before…
Det. Rocky Gregory: But you don’t know a name?
Tabitha Barnes: Unh uh. Don’t know no names. And he would let them go all the time. And I se—and you know, once again, I—he couldn’t, I don’t know what happened, but I must have seen him s—every bo—every time I seen him stop, uh, uh, anybody, it was a—it was a female. I seen him stop someone at the Northeast Sixteenth Store.
Det. Rocky Gregory: I want you—I want you to describe him again to me. Make sure I got it.
Tabitha Barnes: About six one.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
Tabitha Barnes: Probably six two.
Det. Rocky Gregory: You said he was a r—what race?
Tabitha Barnes: He’s white.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. What color skin?
Tabitha Barnes: White skin.
Det. Rocky Gregory: I mean, like…
Tabitha Barnes: Like a tan color, like a Indian tan color to me. Not dark, dark, but you know, he wasn’t pale.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
Tabitha Barnes: Tall guy.
Det. Rocky Gregory: What would he weigh?
Tabitha Barnes: Broad shoulders. He would always have his hair, like, I guess he would do it with hairspray and…
Det. Rocky Gregory: What color hair?
Tabitha Barnes: Like a brown in it. Brownish. Light brown. And it would be spiked up in the front.
Det. Rocky Gregory: What do you think he’d weigh?
Tabitha Barnes: Uh…
Det. Rocky Gregory: Cause the other day you said he was really built.
Tabitha Barnes: He is. Up here. Like a stocky build to me. He probably hitting bout two thirty.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Anything else about him that…
Tabitha Barnes: He’s young. He wasn’t an older guy. He was probably, I say, in his thirties—for—thirty four. Might have been younger than that, but he wasn’t, like, in his forties or nothing like that.
Det. Rocky Gregory: And you never caught his name?
Tabitha Barnes: No, I never got his name. I just would tell my mom and my family and, like, they was just like, ‘There’s something you could do about that.’ I was like, ‘They not gonna believe me.’ [long pause] He was a young guy. He wasn’t ol—old—he looked like a rookie. I mean, I watch movies. I know he wasn’t, he wasn’t your age, you know, old school guy. No.
Det. Rocky Gregory: See any scars, marks, tattoos?
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Tabitha Barnes: No.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
Tabitha Barnes: But if you showed me a picture I bet you I could identify him. Because he, I mean, he would come over here, just come, I mean drive through constantly.
Det. Rocky Gregory: You, you said it was a new car he was driving? Is that right?
Tabitha Barnes: He usually came in that little Z twent—I don’t know if I know my cars, but I th—the new one. The new black and white.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Is it black and white or is it all black?
Tabitha Barnes: All black. And it got ‘police’ on it. And the last stop he made, I can’t quote what date it was, but he was in the old—the ne—the older car. The older… car and I—and I was trying to do a little searching on him and I…
Det. Rocky Gregory: So, the second time he was in an older car?
Tabitha Barnes: The last time. The last time he came…
Det. Rocky Gregory: Oh, the one he…
Tabitha Barnes: And I didn’t open the door. I was looking out the window at him. He was pa—he parked back about right here.
Det. Rocky Gregory: And he wanted to do a… wanted to walk…
Tabitha Barnes: He—di—he, he came in one of them cars.
Det. Rocky Gregory: So, he wanted to, just…
Tabitha Barnes: I—I—
Det. Rocky Gregory: He wanted in your house.
Tabitha Barnes: That was the time he wanted in my house. That was the last face to face he seen with me. He wanted to come in.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Hmm.
Tabitha Barnes: I said, ‘Come in for what.’ He said, ‘To search your home.’ I said, ‘Search my home for what? You was just in here last night. If you seen—did I have any drugs laying around? Did you see any doobies in my? I smoke cigarettes. I know you ain’t seen nothing but cigarettes.’
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
Tabitha Barnes: I said, ‘You seen no alcohol in my home, no alcohol bottles, no beer bottles, nothing.’
Det. Rocky Gregory: You ever, um, okay, so, he only touched your breasts once, right?
Tabitha Barnes: Mm hmm.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, did he ever touch your vagina?
Tabitha Barnes: No, he just looked at it.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Did he ever have sex with you?
Tabitha Barnes: No.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. You ever see his penis?
Tabitha Barnes: No.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Did he ever talk about having sex with you?
Tabitha Barnes: No.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Can you think of any other thing that I’m missing, or anything like that?
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Tabitha Barnes: No, that was about it with him. He just… and I—I was jus—no, I was just kind—I mean, when I had to go to move to Texas for that month to help my mom, um, that’s probably what saved me with that man.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. Is [redacted] was here for the first and second stops, correct? Okay. Is she here?
Tabitha Barnes: Mm hmm.
Det. Rocky Gregory: You think you could send her out so I could talk with her? [CAR DOOR OPENS] I’m gonna, okay, uh, see, I thought he originally had touched you on your vagina. I was gonna get your buccal swabs because there’s some DNA questions out there we have. Let me…
Tabitha Barnes: Nah, he didn’t put his hands. He just did my breasts.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Bare breasts.
Tabitha Barnes: Mm hmm.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. Yeah. Okay, if I have anything I’ll probably just swing by, so don’t—don’t wig out if I come back by, okay?
Tabitha Barnes: Okay.
Det. Rocky Gregory: All right. Yeah, I’ll just talk with [redacted]. Oh, I need your mom’s number.
Tabitha Barnes: Okay.
Det. Rocky Gregory: And then I need that information to Terry as well.
Tabitha Barnes: Okay.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
[CAR DOOR SHUTS]
[RECORDING ENDS]
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Host: With Tabitha Barnes’ second interview completed, Detective Gregory next interviews Barnes’ eleven year old daughter. Out of an abundance of caution, I have decided to redact Barnes’ daughter’s name. When referencing the daughter in the future, I will simply refer to her by the alias, Jaime—which is not her real name. The following is the audio recording of Detective Gregory’s interview with Jaime in his vehicle while parked in front of Barnes’ home on Northeast Fifteenth Street.
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[RECORDING BEGINS]
[CAR DOOR OPENS]
Det. Rocky Gregory: Hey.
Jaime: Hi.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Let me send this. Hey, I’m Detective Gregory. I was kind of the ugly guy here the other day sitting in the car with your mom.
Jaime: [laughing]
Det. Rocky Gregory: Um… okay, all right, now you’re, you [redacted] correct?
Jaime: Mm hmm.
Det. Rocky Gregory: All right. And Tabitha, that is your mother, correct?
Jaime: Mm hmm.
Det. Rocky Gregory: How old are you?
Jaime: Ten.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. What’s your date of birth?
Jaime: Uh, 0-3.
Det. Rocky Gregory: With, with, month and day?
Jaime: Um… [redacted].
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. Okay. This, uh, this deal in reference to the officer.
Jaime: Mm hmm.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, do you know what I’m talking about?
Jaime: Yeah.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. And, um, what do you know about the situation? What have—what have you seen for yourself to happen?
Jaime: That, um, he was asking my mom to show her body. And then he kept, um, he kept s—sitting right here in front of our house. And he kept asking him why you coming here, why you coming here? And then my Anie said cause uh, I’m living with, um, I’m living with her right now. And then he said oh. And then he kept—he keep coming back, he just kept coming back for no simple reason. Then when we was gone, he came in our house.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
Jaime: My step-dad was in the bed asleep. And then, uh, my step-dad say he came in the house while, while, um, we was gone. And then, uh, we was about to go get some ice cream, and he pulled us over for no simple reason. We had, we all had on seatbelts. The tag was right. My momma, she didn’t have license, but the person that was driving, they had license.
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Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. And I know that there’s different times, and i—is—just so I’ll be clear, I think, in my mind, is that when there was snow on the ground?
Jaime: Ummm, no.
Det. Rocky Gregory: When they pulled into the driveway? How many times have you seen this officer yourself? Forget about what you’ve heard. What, how many times have you seen him, just yourself?
Jaime: Um, like, four or five times.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Where have you always seen him at?
Jaime: Right here, where you parked. He always just sit right here.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Since when was the first time you ever saw him?
Jaime: Ummm…
Det. Rocky Gregory: And this is August.
Jaime: Bout March.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. Let me ask you this, and this is, I—I know what you’ve heard. The thing—the story that you just told me, I am sure that your, your momma told you that, correct?
Jaime: My momma told me what?
Det. Rocky Gregory: About what happened.
Jaime: Yeah.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. Now, so I’m just trying to get what you actually saw, okay? With your own eyes and heard with your own ears. Okay? Did you ever see him do anything? Touch your momma? Badly?
Jaime: No, I only heard her say to hi—he asked her to see her breasts. And um, he kept saying, ‘I like, I would like to see those.’
Det. Rocky Gregory: What else did your momma say?
Jaime: Um, that’s all she told me.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Did you momma say anything that he did touch her?
Jaime: Mmm… yeah.
Det. Rocky Gregory: [long pause] Okay. Okay. All right. But you never did see him actually touch her?
Jaime: I saw her—I—I saw him, like, try to touch her arm and then she was just, like, yanking away.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay, but not anywhere else beside the arm?
Jaime: No.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. Okay. Did he ever tell you to go inside the house or anything?
Jaime: Yeah.
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Det. Rocky Gregory: How many times?
Jaime: Like, every time he’d come.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. How many times did he have your momma sit in the back seat of the car?
Jaime: Every time he’d come. He’d be like—last time he said—told her to sit in the front. She said, ‘I’ll just sit in the back.’
Det. Rocky Gregory: [long pause] But you’ve always seen him here at this house.
Jaime: Mm hmm.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. [long pause] What’d this officer look like?
Jaime: He had spikes.
Det. Rocky Gregory: What do you mean?
Jaime: He was—he had spikes on his hair.
Det. Rocky Gregory: What color hair?
Jaime: It was, like, grayish.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay.
Jaime: It was grayish and he was buff a little bit.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Bout how tall?
Jaime: I do—I—I can’t…
Det. Rocky Gregory: But he was buff? Okay. Do you know what he’d weigh?
Jaime: Unh uh.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. Do you know how old he would be?
Jaime: No.
Det. Rocky Gregory: But you’ve seen him four or five times here? Okay. Did your momma ever tell you anything else besides the breast stuff?
Jaime: No.
Det. Rocky Gregory: Okay. Okay. I think that’s really all I needed. I’m gonna touch base with your momma.
[CAR DOOR OPENS]
[BEEPING NOISES]
[KEYS JINGLING]
Det. Rocky Gregory: Thank you [redacted].
Jaime: You’re welcome.
[RECORDING ENDS]
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Host: I’m going to conclude this episode at this point. In the next episode, I will be providing more details as to Barnes’ allegations and the red flags that Detective Gregory intentionally left out of his official investigative report. For example, Barnes’ home is often visited by accuser, Florene Mathis, from episode ten. And there, she and Florene, often smoke crack together. Patrol Officer Holtzclaw believes Barnes is dealing crack cocaine out of her home. And what about Terry Williams: the boyfriend who often stays overnight at Barnes’ residence with her children, and was sleeping in one of the children’s beds when confronted by Holtzclaw? Well, he’s a registered sex offender and Detective Gregory didn’t think that was important to include in his report. I’m certain it comes as no surprise to you that nothing in this case is ever as simple as it’s presented by investigators and the prosecution. I hope you’ll join me as I continue to dig deep into the case of the State of Oklahoma vs. Daniel Holtzclaw.
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