EP 19: Rosetta Grate Allegations (1-of-2)
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Below is a video containing both of the jailhouse interviews between accuser Rosetta Grate and Oklahoma City Sex Crimes Detectives Kim Davis and Valorie Homan.
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Episode 19 ׀ Daniel Holtzclaw: Rosetta Grate Allegations
Disclaimer: This podcast deals with adult subject matter, including depictions of drug addiction, prostitution, sexual assault, and rape. Parental guidance is suggested.
00:10 [OPENING AUDIO COLLAGE]
Newscaster: Officer Daniel Holtzclaw, with the Police Department for three years, is accused of raping and sexually assaulting women he pulled over while on the job.
Jannie Liggons: He said, ‘Come on, come on, just a minute, just a minute’. I say, ‘Sir, I can’t do this’. I say, ‘you gonna shoot...’
Det. Kim Davis: Tell me your description of him.
Sherri Ellis: He’s black.
Det. Kim Davis: He’s b—okay, black male.
Det. Kim Davis: What did your daughter tell you?
Amanda Gates: She said, ‘I met this really hot cop’.
Shardayreon Hill: So, this is good evidence?
Det. Rocky Gregory: Well, you tell me.
[OPENING AUDIO COLLAGE ENDS]
Timestamp: The following episode contains investigative events which occurred on August 27, 2014.
00:58
Host: Welcome back to Bates Investigates: Season One - In Defense of Daniel Holtzclaw. I am your host, Private Investigator, Brian Bates, and this is episode nineteen. In the last episode, I went into detail regarding a handful of former Oklahoma City Police Officer, Daniel Holtzclaw's, admitted false accusers. And, as we now know, the prosecution has revealed at least seven females and one male that initially made sexual assault allegations, only later to recant them - even admitting to lying. And why did they lie? Overwhelmingly each one claimed that they believed that there were indeed real victims and that they simply wanted to lend credibility to those allegations by making their own. But by what measure have detectives established a way to determine exactly who is telling the truth and who is lying? It would seem the line was drawn with a simple three part test: One-was Officer Holtzclaw actually on duty during the time of the alleged assault? Two-is at least the encounter with Officer Holtzclaw documented on patrol car AVL (or GPS)? And three-did Holtzclaw run the accuser through dispatch or his patrol car computer?
02:20
Basically, if Holtzclaw pulled you over or stopped you for literally anything, and ran you for warrants, you could accuse him of rape and you would be believed by Oklahoma City Sex Crimes Detectives Rocky Gregory and Kim Davis. That being said, I'm not saying some of the accusers and their allegations are not compelling. Take for instance Jannie Ligons: she's considered by most people to be the keystone accuser. She came forward on her own, she reported her allegations in a timely manner, and at least on the surface it's difficult to come up with an obvious reason as to why she would lie. But, a closer examination of the facts has revealed she did indeed fit two of the three reasons Detective Davis herself gave for why most women make false sexual assault allegations against police officers. And, in my opinion, and more importantly, where her story differed from Officer Holtzclaw's, the forensic evidence actually supported Holtzclaw's version of events every single time. The next accuser I'm going to be discussing, as it fits within the investigative timeline, is thirty-eight year old accuser, Rosetta Grate. And I have to be honest with you, much like with accuser Ligons, Grate initially caused me to pause when I first took a look at this case. This is an example of where I'm going to make good on my promise to be totally transparent and admit to and report on the good and bad when it comes to defending Officer Holtzclaw. And this won't be the only time. When I first received the Rosetta Grate file, I confronted Holtzclaw in his defense lawyer's conference room, because there are questions in this case that demand answers. Because of the complexity of these allegations from Grate, I've decided to break this up into two episodes. This episode will primarily be the audio from two of Rosetta Grate’s jail interviews with Detectives Davis and Valerie Homan. If you happen to love bad quality audio of police interviews in echo-y jail house rooms, well, I’ve got a treat for you. You're gonna like this one. However, if you struggle to get through it, or even choose to skip it all together, that's okay. In episode twenty I will be breaking it all down with my own commentary and clips from both of those interviews. This episode is over an hour long, but I want to make these interviews available in their entirety so that nobody can say I pick and choose what to cover. Additionally, I have posted both of these interviews (as a single interview) on my Bates Investigates YouTube channel and I've also embedded the video in this episode’s homepage at holtzclawtrial.com. With all of that in mind, let’s jump into the case.
05:18
As Officer Daniel Holtzclaw sits in protective custody at the Oklahoma County Jail, with a five million dollar cash bond, detectives are still eagerly uncovering yet more women from their infamous list they want to interview. Now, I've gotta back up just a bit, so that I can put all of this into context. On August 15th of 2014, that's a week prior to Holtzclaw's arrest and the ensuing media coverage, Detective Davis noted that “Rosetta Grate was on the list" and that she and fellow detective, Homan, drove to the seven hundred block of Northeast Thirty Second to see if they could make contact with her. When they arrived, they spoke to a man named Johnnie Grate. He is identified in reports as Rosetta's father. Johnnie told the detectives that his daughter didn't live there with him on a regular basis, but that she does stop in every now and then just to rest. Detective Davis then does something that I personally have a real problem with, and she and Detective Gregory do this repeatedly. I'll dissect my issues with it in this instance in the next episode. According to her report, she stated the following: "I told Johnnie I had received information that Rosetta might have been sexually assaulted." To which Detective Davis claims that Johnnie replied, "Are you talking about that officer?" Detective Davis says she solicited more information and asked Johnnie exactly what he knew about ‘that officer’. Allegedly, Johnnie told detectives that about a month ago "Rosetta came home very upset. She told him a cop took her somewhere and forced her to perform oral sex on him." Detective Davis then gave Johnnie her business card and told him to have Rosetta call her the next time that he saw her. Six days later, and no calls from Rosetta, Officer Daniel Holtzclaw is arrested and his name, face, and the allegations against him are made very public. Six days after that, on August 27, 2014, Detective Davis checked the EJIS database and saw that Rosetta was currently in the Oklahoma County Jail, so she and Detective Homan drove to the jail to meet with Rosetta. The following is the recording of Rosetta Grate being interviewed by Oklahoma City Sex Crimes Detective Kim Davis. Because of the acoustics in the room, the audio has an echo and can be difficult to hear clearly at times. This first interview is about forty-two minutes long and she doesn't get into the details of her alleged assault until about six and a half minutes into the interview. Following this first interview is a second jailhouse interview that was conducted on September 2nd of 2014. But, let’s get started with the initial interview.
8:18 [RECORDING BEGINS]
Det. Kim Davis: [yelling from a distance] Go all the way back, Rosetta.
Rosetta Grate: All right.
Det. Kim Davis: [yelling from a distance] [inaudible] your picture, Rosetta.
Rosetta Grate: I can’t help it [laughing]
[inaudible speaking in background]
Det. Kim Davis: What’s up with that hair?
Rosetta Grate: [laughing]
Det. Valerie Homan: What’s up with that face?
All: [laughing]
Det. Valerie Homan: Let me see. Well, your side shot you’re doing this.
Det. Kim Davis: Yeah, like, you’re like the Thinker on the toilet.
Rosetta Grate: Really? [laughing]
Det. Kim Davis: All right. You probably don’t have a clue why we’re here.
Rosetta Grate: You went—are you the two that came by daddy’s? I’m just trying to figure out how’d ya’ll know? I—Is he confessing?
Det. Kim Davis: We’re—we’re—we’re just good detectives.
Rosetta Grate: Cause I didn’t have [inaudible] to tell about it.
Det. Kim Davis: What’d your daddy tell you? What’d your dad tell you?
Rosetta Grate: That ya’ll came by the apartment. I—I told him and my dude.
Det. Kim Davis: You told what?
Rosetta Grate: My—I told my daddy and the—and the—my guy I live with.
Det. Kim Davis: Willie?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: He ain’t very nice.
Rosetta Grate: No. Well, he’s mad cause, he’s still mad about that.
Det. Kim Davis: About that? Well, he told us he doesn’t know who you are and you don’t live there and all that stuff.
Rosetta Grate: Oh, he think, cause of my warrants.
Det. Kim Davis: Oh. So, do you live with him?
Rosetta Grate: Yes.
Det. Kim Davis: At 633 on Culbertson?
Rosetta Grate: Culbertson, yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: Is that where you live?
Rosetta Grate: Yes. And I haven’t been home in, like, four or five [inaudible].
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, let me tell you, while I was searching for you, everybody was telling me you were off on the dope in a bad way.
Rosetta Grate: What’s a bad way?
Det. Kim Davis: Just, you were just…
Rosetta Grate: I relapsed.
Det. Kim Davis: Yeah, okay.
Det. Valerie Homan: Are you clear right now though?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: Are you clear and you’re thinking straight and everything?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah. Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, I also want to let you know that, um, the DA’s office is offering rehab, if you want.
Rosetta Grate: I don’t wan—I, I just put the application online for Rose Rock.
Det. Kim Davis: What’s that?
Rosetta Grate: Huh?
Det. Kim Davis: What’s Rose Rock?
Rosetta Grate: It’s a rehab, but way three hours away though.
Det. Kim Davis: Are you interested in rehab?
Rosetta Grate: I put a application in they—the—the same day it came in.
Det. Valerie Homan: So, you’ve already done that on your own?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Valerie Homan: Well, that’s good.
Rosetta Grate: You know what…
Det. Valerie Homan: What’s your choice of drug?
Rosetta Grate: Crack and weed.
Det. Kim Davis: Crack and weed.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah. I’m tired. And then when daddy told me ya’ll came back over there, or came over there, I’m all stressed out because I don’t know, it’s, I don’t know, someone to, it’s embarrassing.
Det. Valerie Homan: Don’t be stressed out because of us.
Det. Kim Davis: What’s embarrassing?
Rosetta Grate: [sniffling]
Det. Kim Davis: Take a breath. It’s okay. We’re not in a hurry.
Rosetta Grate: [inaudible due to crying] ya’ll trying to help me right now, but I know, it’s just that [inaudible due to crying] [laughing] I’m just… I…
11:12
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. Let’s, let’s get some background on y—lemme just get some background on you.
Rosetta Grate: [laughing]
Det. Kim Davis: I’ll just kinda get to know you and all that stuff, okay? Before we delve off into it, okay. Have you ever been the victim of a crime before?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah. [laughing]
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, what have you been the victim of?
Rosetta Grate: Just, uh, being, uh, molested at, by my step-father.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. Was that ever reported to police?
Rosetta Grate: No.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. What else?
Rosetta Grate: While I was on drugs, I mean, some dates [inaudible] just take what they take and go on about their business. So I’ve had some, uh, non-wanted sex.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: [sniffling]
Det. Kim Davis: And I know you’ve been arrested a whole bunch of times. Is that right? Have you ever been arrested for prostitution?
Rosetta Grate: Twice.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Or, wh—uh, they didn’t call it prostitution, they called it, uh…
Det. Kim Davis: Lewd Acts?
Rosetta Grate: Lewd Acts.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. That’s fine.
Det. Valerie Homan: Lewd Acts or Offering to Engage?
Rosetta Grate: Off—one Offering to Engage and I think one each.
Det. Valerie Homan: Were you a suspect in the Lewd Acts?
Rosetta Grate: No, it was, uh, like, uh, a sting operation at the motel.
Det. Valerie Homan: Okay.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, so, you’ve worked as a prostitute. And I—I—we don’t care. I mean, that’s—I mean, I care for you that—I wouldn’t want you to put your body through that, but I don’t care. That’s not, we’re not holding that against you. Does that make sense? Okay. Do you have any mental health history? Do you have anxiety, depression, take any medicine?
Rosetta Grate: No.
Det. Kim Davis: Do you have any medical problems?
Rosetta Grate: No.
Det. Valerie Homan: Have you in the past? Have you ever been treated for STDs or anything like that?
Rosetta Grate: Just when I was a teenager.
Det. Kim Davis: Teenager? Okay. Do you have any kids?
Rosetta Grate: One daughter. She’s seventeen.
Det. Kim Davis: Who has her?
Rosetta Grate: Uh, my sister-in-law and my brother. Angelique and Clifton.
Det. Kim Davis: Have you ever been married? [phone notification sound] How long have you been—how long have you had a drug problem?
Rosetta Grate: Nine years.
Det. Kim Davis: How come you’re in here now? Well, I know about you got arrested cause you made a [laughing] pretend phone call. I thought that was quite sharp. What, you had warrants. For what?
Rosetta Grate: Uh, I have a warrant for, uh…
Det. Kim Davis: Violation of suspended?
Rosetta Grate: Probation, yeah. I’m in the Women’s Diversion Program.
14:15
Det. Kim Davis: You’re in the what?
Rosetta Grate: Female Diversion.
Det. Kim Davis: What’s that?
Rosetta Grate: It’s a drug program. I been AWOL, uh, for almost three months. I did it before [inaudible] in June. First of June.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. S—is that your only warrant, that violation?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: And is that why you tried to distract the officer? Cause you knew you had a warrant?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Yeah. Okay. All right. Let’s talk about what we’re here to talk about. You tell me. You just start from the beginning and then I’ll ask you questions when I need clarification about stuff, how bout that?
Rosetta Grate: It’s about that officer, right?
Det. Kim Davis: Yep. Okay.
Rosetta Grate: I was on relapse. Uh…
Det. Kim Davis: And wh—weed or coke or both?
Rosetta Grate: I was on coke, that time.
Det. Kim Davis: Crack?
Rosetta Grate: Crack.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Okay, I was on Fourteenth and Jordan.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Where you, where it’s going south to northbound…
Det. Kim Davis: Doing what?
Rosetta Grate: South to northbound on Jordan.
Det. Kim Davis: So you were on Jordan?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm. And he rolls up on me.
Det. Kim Davis: Were you walking?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. You don’t have a car.
Rosetta Grate: No.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Well, I do. But then, my brother has it, cause I don’t have a license.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: And, uh, anyways, he rolled up on me.
Det. Kim Davis: Did he come from head on or…
Rosetta Grate: He came from behind.
Det. Kim Davis: …did he come from behind? Which?
Rosetta Grate: Behind.
Det. Kim Davis: He came from behind you?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: And, uh, I know I had a piece of crack pipes on me. I know I didn’t have no crack cause if you’re on Fourteenth and Jordan, b—but Fourteenth th—then my turn to get crack, but if you’re on Jordan and Fourteenth then you probably trying to work. Catch a date.
Det. Kim Davis: Were—okay. Were you prostituting or were you going after dope or what were you doing?
Rosetta Grate: I was leaving the—the spot cause I had just smoked some crack.
Det. Kim Davis: You just.
Rosetta Grate: But, I knew I needed to get back. That was one of my relapses and I—I was only coming out for a few hours at that time.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, so you had just smoked some crack?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: But when you say you’re coming out for a few hours, to get a date to get some more money?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, but I knew I needed to walk home. This was one of them intense relapses where I’m stressed out cause I know I need to walk home. I told…
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, so are—m—my thing is are you walking home to go home or are you walking cause you need a date for more money?
Rosetta Grate: Both.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: I was walking home but in the hopes of a mix of kinda that.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: And, he was like, ‘What’s going on?’ And if you get to know me, I’ll tell you everything, I mean [laughing]. I told him, ‘There’s no use in playing around with it.’ I was like, ‘I’m on probation, I’m relapsing, my dude’s mad’ cause he knew I’m not supposed to be in this situation or in this area. But I would go blah, blah, blah. And what I did…
Det. Kim Davis: So, okay, let me [laughing] let me slow you down there. Did he get—when he rolled up behind you—did he get out of the car?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah. [yawning]
Det. Kim Davis: And are you just—
Rosetta Grate: Oh, well, well, at first he was like, ‘What are you doing over here?’
Det. Kim Davis: D—did he get out or did he roll down his window to talk to you?
Rosetta Grate: He t—rolled down his window at first.
Det. Kim Davis: He r—okay, that’s, he rolled down the window, and said, ‘What are you doing over here?’
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
17:34
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. What’d you tell him?
Rosetta Grate: I told him I was getting high.
Det. Kim Davis: You told him you were getting high? You told him that?!
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: Well, at least you’re honest.
Rosetta Grate: I was getting high. I mean, it is what it is. There’s no point, he’s like, didn’t even ask me something about that. I said, ‘Everybody knows there’s an open search warrant on that house. Don’t ask me if they’re selling drugs over there. Cause you know they’re there.’ That’s so [inaudible] that’s when he got out. And, uh, so after I told him everything, I was, like, I…
Det. Kim Davis: Okay when, when you’re—you’re telling everything are ya’ll just standing outside?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: Outside of his car?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah. I had my little black purse that I had was on top of his car.
Det. Kim Davis: Did he put it up there?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, tell me everything you told him.
Rosetta Grate: I told him that I had relapsed, but I was still doing my program at that time. I relapsed.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, told him you’d relapsed. Okay.
Rosetta Grate: And m—my boyfriend was upset about it. Cause I’s didn’t have no business being in that area. And, uh, you know, he, that’s what we argued about.
Det. Kim Davis: You and your boyfriend?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Because he doesn’t want me to do drugs.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: And I said I been trying to walk home for a couple hours, but every time I walk I catch a date and wind back over here.
Det. Kim Davis: So you told him been trying to walk home but if you catch a date you end up back over here?
Rosetta Grate: [laugh] Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: Hold on. [pause] How many dates did you catch that night?
Rosetta Grate: That day?
Det. Kim Davis: Yeah.
Rosetta Grate: I don’t know. Just a couple cause I wasn’t out there for a couple hours.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. [pause] So, you told him that every time I catch a date I end up back over here. Then what?
Rosetta Grate: And, uh, he [inaudible] cause it was like, ‘I should walk home.’ But I was like, ‘Every time I catch a date I come back over here. I don’t know if I’ma get home.’ That’s when he offered a ride.
Det. Kim Davis: Oh, to, to take you home?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: And I didn’t ask you this. Uh, what time is it that he rolled up on you? About? Like, is it daylight, is it dark? Is it…
Rosetta Grate: It’s daylight.
Det. Kim Davis: It’s daylight?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: [chime] Okay. [pause] So, he offers you a ride home. Did you tell him okay?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: And where’s home? Is that your daddy’s house or the Culbertson?
Rosetta Grate: 633 Culbertson.
Det. Kim Davis: Did you give him the address?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Ha—have you gotten in the car yet?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, how, did he search you before you got in the car or anything?
Rosetta Grate: Uh, yeah, he searched the purse. And made me break my little crack pipe.
Det. Kim Davis: He searched your purse?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: And he, he made you break the crack pipe? [pause] Did he search your body?
Rosetta Grate: No.
Det. Kim Davis: Before he put you in the backseat. How did you break it?
Rosetta Grate: Just doing this… [pause] Yeah, but when we got to the house and I looked for my purse, he left it on top of the car.
21:02
Det. Kim Davis: Oh, whoops. Okay, so you got in. Did you get in the backseat or the front seat?
Rosetta Grate: Back.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. Did he start driving to your house?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. Did he go straight to 633 Culbertson?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, then what?
Rosetta Grate: Then got there. He let me out, and I was, like, looking for a purse and then that’s when we realized that he had left it up on top of [inaudible] go back and gotten it.
Det. Valerie Homan: [inaudible]
Det. Kim Davis: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: So, did it fall out? You were looking for your purse and it wasn’t up there. Did ya’ll, did it fall off the top of his car?
Rosetta Grate: I guess. [pause][inaudible][laughing] I can see that w—we had things on our mind, you know what I’m saying?
Det. Kim Davis: What? What other things did you have on your mind?
Rosetta Grate: I—No, I’m saying for him, my purse to have just stayed up there, it seem like there would have been other things on your mind. Cause I was, like, I’ve never heard of that. But you know, can we just change the subject? So, we get [fades off].
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, so you go back? Did you get back in the car or did you ever get out of the car? At the house?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, I got out the car.
Det. Kim Davis: So, did you get back in the car?
Rosetta Grate: Unh uh.
Det. Kim Davis: To go look for your purse? You didn’t.
Rosetta Grate: No, cause we didn’t really have to. You know, there was nothing in the backseat. I was just looking and I was like, ‘Where’s my purse?’
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, and then you realize he left it on the roof of the car.
Rosetta Grate: I said, but that’s what I’m saying, it was on top, and he was like, and he was looking for it, he said, ‘You—you got your purse.’ I said, ‘No, I don’t.’ And he looked at front seat and seen that there wasn’t one and I said, ‘You left it on top of the car.’
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. [phone notification] And then what happened?
Rosetta Grate: And then so, I started walking towards for the car, but I noticed he had shut his car, cause he drove into the driveway, like, as if he just came home. [sigh] Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: So he drove into the driveway. That’s when you get out—or he has to let you out—
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Cause you can’t open the door. You’re looking for your purse, he’s looking for your purse. Nobody has a purse.
Rosetta Grate: Right.
Det. Kim Davis: Then what?
Rosetta Grate: Then I, I start going towards the door and I kinda look out my peripheral vision and I notice he’s following me.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: And so, when I get to the door, he’s right behind me, and I was, like—I never asked, I never questioned it. I thought maybe he just wanted to make sure I lived there or something.
Det. Kim Davis: Mm hmm.
Rosetta Grate: And so, I shove open the door, he comes in with me.
Det. Kim Davis: Do you have a key, or?
Rosetta Grate: No. That’s, uh, when you were at Will’s house, w—how did ya’ll approach Will’s house on the side door? Side street? Where’s it open?
Det. Valerie Homan: Front, where the front lock is.
Det. Kim Davis: Front porch.
Rosetta Grate: No. You know…
Det. Kim Davis: But then he, he was in the backyard, so when we talked to him he was in the backyard.
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm. Okay, well, when you walk up on the porch, not the front of the thing, it’s just a screen and it wasn’t locked. That—he never locks the door.
Det. Kim Davis: So, do—do you not have a key to that house?
Rosetta Grate: No, but there’s not really a key.
24:07
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: So, see what I’m saying cause the screen door stays unlocked. [pause] But usually also, when I relapse, he gets angry and locks the door. But, it was unlocked.
Det. Kim Davis: So, you didn’t question cause you just thought he was trying to make sure that you lived there?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: [pause] So the screen door was unlocked when you got there and you went inside and he followed you?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Was Will home?
Rosetta Grate: No.
Det. Kim Davis: Where do you think he was?
Rosetta Grate: I don’t know. He usually go plays pool. So, he was either playing pool. Cause he usually just lives home, he’s always home.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Only time he’s gone is to go to the bank, to the grocery store, or pool. That’s it.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. So you went inside, he followed you. What happened next?
Rosetta Grate: So, went upstairs and when s—
Det. Kim Davis: You went upstairs?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, went upstairs.
Det. Kim Davis: Did he follow you upstairs?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Any words exchanged when he went into your house? Any words exchanged while ya’ll were going upstairs?
Rosetta Grate: No.
Det. Kim Davis: Is this normal activity for you?
Rosetta Grate: No.
Det. Kim Davis: To let someone. I mean, what, what was going on?
Rosetta Grate: I knew I was on…
Det. Kim Davis: Were ya’ll [inaudible] each other?
Rosetta Grate: No. I knew that I was on probation.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: So, only thing I’m thinking is I don’t wanna get in trouble. You know, I don’t know what, that’s why I’m not questioning the—the situation. I don’t know what’s going on. Does that make sense?
Det. Kim Davis: Mm hmm.
Rosetta Grate: No [inaudible] I just thought, the whole time I’m thinking that maybe he wants to make sure somebody lives here, or that I live here, or what, you know.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: That’s what’s going on in my, that’s why I never questioned.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: But as he, when he came in—oh yeah, yeah, my bad, while we came in I was like, ‘This is the living room. This is the den.’ I was just sh—like, sh—explaining the house. I was just, I was like, ‘This is the living room. This is the den.’ Then I said, ‘That’s upstairs.’ Cause Will and me had just got into it, and so…
Det. Kim Davis: Well, are you thinking he’s—
Rosetta Grate: Trying to see if it’s, I’m thinking, my think is seeing if I live here, you know, is this my place of residence? Cause I would’ve never have thought in a million years it was for this situation. Not in a million.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. [pause] So, you go upstairs. He follows.
Rosetta Grate: Right.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: And I said, ‘This is Will’s room.’ I said, ‘In that front bedroom.’ I said, ‘This is my room because he got mad at me and so now we live in separate rooms.’
Det. Kim Davis: [pause] Okay.
Rosetta Grate: And he told me to have a seat.
Det. Kim Davis: Huh?
Rosetta Grate: He told me to have a seat on my bed.
Det. Kim Davis: Whose room were you in?
Rosetta Grate: Mine.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. And did he say it like that—‘Have a seat’?
Rosetta Grate: Yes.
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Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: [sigh] And so he starts pulling, starts going straight there and unzipping. He had said, ‘You know this is better than the county.’ Because…
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, say that one more time.
Rosetta Grate: He said, ‘This is better than the County.’
Det. Kim Davis: So, he unzipped his pants and said, ‘This is better than the County.’ [pause] Okay.
Rosetta Grate: [inaudible due to yawning] on the way over there…
Det. Kim Davis: Do what?
Rosetta Grate: On the way over there, I remember him asking, uh, so, what do I normally do with my dates.
Det. Kim Davis: When he’s driving you?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah. He’s questioning, like, what do I do with my dates.
Det. Kim Davis: What’d you tell him?
Rosetta Grate: That I give him head, or you know, what I do.
Det. Kim Davis: What’d you tell him?
Rosetta Grate: Uh, I don’t, I told him, I think I gave h—I don’t remember my answer. That just something, I just don’t remember to be honest with you. I don’t remember my answer to that. It’s—days are coming back slowly. [laughing]
Det. Kim Davis: [pause] Okay. So, he unzips his pants and says, ‘This is better than the County.’
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Then what?
Rosetta Grate: So, I started.
Det. Kim Davis: So, did he take his dick out?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: Was it erect when it came out? Did he have a hard on?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: So, you put it in your mouth?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: And then I started giving head and I told him could he hold his gun to the side cause it was kinda slapping me in the face.
Det. Valerie Homan: Which side of his hip is his gun on?
Rosetta Grate: This side.
Det. Valerie Homan: Right side.
Rosetta Grate: Cause he’s looking at me so…
Det. Kim Davis: What’d he say when you asked that?
Rosetta Grate: He did it.
Det. Kim Davis: He moved his gun?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: Or did he take it out of the holster?
Rosetta Grate: I don’t think, he didn’t take it out the holster, he just pushed it.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: And then he told me to lay back.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: And this wasn’t done no condom [inaudible].
Det. Kim Davis: Did you lay back?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Det. Valerie Homan: What were you wearing?
Rosetta Grate: I don’t remember.
Det. Valerie Homan: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: I don’t remember.
Det. Valerie Homan: Okay.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. You laid back. Then what?
Rosetta Grate: Then he got on top of me.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: And, uh, then he had started having sex with me.
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Det. Kim Davis: Okay, how did he—did he remove any of this clothing? Or was it just still out the zipper hole?
Rosetta Grate: It was just still out the zipper hole.
Det. Kim Davis: How did he get to your vagina?
Rosetta Grate: J—just—I don’t…
Det. Kim Davis: Well, you got clothes on.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: So, how did he get?
Rosetta Grate: I, maybe I had a dress on. I had to have had a dress on. I don’t know. I don’t know whether, I mean, either I’m, I had to have a dress on. I don’t remember taking nothing off. It’s not—I just laid back. And left, you know, I normally don’t have no panties on, so, ever. [yawn]
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, so he started having sex with you?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: In your vagina?
Rosetta Grate: Yes.
Det. Kim Davis: No condom?
Rosetta Grate: No condom.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: That was the trippy part. Seem like, you know, if you do that, it seem like you’d wear a condom. Seem like it.
Det. Valerie Homan: Do most your dudes wear condoms?
Rosetta Grate: It’s about half and half. More not than they do.
Det. Kim Davis: More don’t than do? Okay.
Rosetta Grate: So, uh…
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: I thought I heard Will. I thought I heard the door. I said, ‘The door, I’m just nervous.’
Det. Kim Davis: What happened then?
Rosetta Grate: I think he came, uh, I’m…
Det. Kim Davis: You think he ejaculated?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, I think he ejaculated cause he kinda had to slow down for a second and then move, you know, there goes, when they do that. Then I was like, ‘I—I think I heard Will.’ So he got back up.
Det. Kim Davis: So you think he ejaculated before you said—
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: ‘I thought I heard Will.’ Okay. So, when you said, ‘I thought he—or I hear Will’ what did he do?
Rosetta Grate: Zipped his stuff back up. And he went downstairs and left.
Det. Kim Davis: Did he come inside of you?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, he would’ve had to have.
Det. Kim Davis: Is, could there be any left on your sheets or your mattress or you?
Det. Valerie Homan: Have you done sheet since then?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, uh, [inaudible].
Det. Kim Davis: What were you on on the bed? Were you on the comforter? Was the bed made?
Rosetta Grate: On the comforter.
Det. Kim Davis: Was there anything—huh?
Rosetta Grate: I was on the comforter and I did, and I’ve washed it and, and so has Will. We’ve washed it twice, I think.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: But he did come home no too long after he left.
Det. Kim Davis: Huh?
Rosetta Grate: And so, me and Will really haven’t gotten along ever since then.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, what did, what did you say?
Rosetta Grate: He, Will came home not too long after he left.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. Did you tell Will what happened?
Rosetta Grate: I tell Will everything. I tell Will everything, seem like. And he didn’t appreciate it.
Det. Kim Davis: What did Will say?
Rosetta Grate: He’s still upset about that.
Det. Kim Davis: Well, let me ask you this, was this consensual for you?
Rosetta Grate: No!
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, I’m just asking.
Rosetta Grate: [laughing]
Det. Kim Davis: I mean…
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, you know, I can see. There’s nothing consensual. Especially from I’m paying for crack and you know there’s no money involved. [inaudible] I’m just being real. If that, maybe if there was money involved I could see, you know, you questioning it, no, it was not consensual. No. It was just one or the other.
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Det. Kim Davis: It was what?
Rosetta Grate: One or the other. Is what he said.
Det. Kim Davis: What? The jail or…
Rosetta Grate: [inaudible] the County, yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Det. Valerie Homan: Had he ran you? Did I miss that part?
Rosetta Grate: I don’t think so.
Det. Kim Davis: Did he check you for warrants or anything?
Rosetta Grate: I don’t know, but I don’t think so.
Det. Kim Davis: Do you know when this was?
Rosetta Grate: This was about, I wanna say about the beginning of May. The end of April, the beginning of May, somewhere around there, maybe.
Det. Kim Davis: But you didn’t hear him run you? Or on your com—on the computer or on the radio or? Has he ever stopped you before this? Have you ever dealt with him other than that one time?
Rosetta Grate: No.
Det. Valerie Homan: Had you ever seen rolling around the East side?
Rosetta Grate: No, but he tried to stop me a little bit after that again. I was walking with somebody. And I totally acted like I didn’t see him. I was walking [inaudible] cause he stopped [inaudible] he was like, ‘Hey, hey.’ Like, it was just, like, I was, like, he acting like he’s a normal person in the car saying ‘Hey.’ [laughing]. I said, ‘I’m not stopping.’ And we walked all the way to the back. Then we seen the police car kinda circle round const—bout four or five times. So we stayed in the back house.
Det. Kim Davis: But he ne—you ne—he never made contact with you that time? Were you walking with another female?
Rosetta Grate: No, a male.
Det. Valerie Homan: Did you say ‘I’m not stopping’ loud enough for him to hear it?
Rosetta Grate: Oh no.
Det. Valerie Homan: Or were you just under your breath telling your friend?
Rosetta Grate: Under my breath.
Det. Valerie Homan: Did you tell that friend what happened?
Rosetta Grate: Eastside’s his name. He goes by Eastside. On the corner of Sixteenth and Highland.
Det. Valerie Homan: What’d you tell him?
Rosetta Grate: I told him what happened [inaudible].
Det. Valerie Homan: How’d you put it though?
Rosetta Grate: I was like, ‘He made me suck and fuck him.’ I said, ‘Unh uh.’
Det. Kim Davis: You said what?
Rosetta Grate: He made me suck and fuck him.
Det. Valerie Homan: Will Eastside talk to us if we wanna talk to him, you think?
Rosetta Grate: I’m sure.
Det. Valerie Homan: You got a phone number for him?
Rosetta Grate: No.
Det. Valerie Homan: He just rolls over there at Sixteenth?
Rosetta Grate: That’s where he lives. Highland.
Det. Valerie Homan: At Highland?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Valerie Homan: What’s his house look like?
Rosetta Grate: Uh, it’s on the Southwest cor—or the Northwest corner of Sixteenth and Highland.
Det. Valerie Homan: Do you know Eastside’s real name?
Rosetta Grate: No. His g—his grill’s pretty twisted. His sister’s heavy set. She drives a orange some—SUV.
Det. Valerie Homan: Will that be parked there?
Rosetta Grate: It should. It’s parked there the majority of the time.
Det. Kim Davis: And you told Eastside.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, he knows about it.
Det. Kim Davis: How old a guy is he?
Rosetta Grate: Uh, he’s forty or fifty. [pause] Told my daddy and [inaudible]. Told, uh, Will. And, uh, pretty much anybody who’s around me.
36:44
Det. Kim Davis: So, you’ve only actually had contact, not se—just sexual contact, contact with this officer one time?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. Give me a description of him.
Rosetta Grate: Uh, he looks Italian, white. Real hefty. Like a weight builder. Looks like a thoroughbred weight builder, I guess. Uh, how much he weighs I couldn’t even tell you cause he’s more muscle than anything.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: And, uh, black hair on, uh, [inaudible] black hair.
Det. Kim Davis: Huh?
Rosetta Grate: Black hair.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Good looking. Real good looking.
Det. Kim Davis: Good looking.
Rosetta Grate: Good, and, and…
Det. Kim Davis: How tall is he?
Rosetta Grate: [sigh] I don’t know. Everybody’s taller than me. Uh, maybe five ten, I guess. I don’t—six foot. I don’t know.
Det. Kim Davis: Facial hair? Clean shaven?
Rosetta Grate: [pause] I think clean shaven. I don’t remember no facial hair, but I’m not too for sure. I just remember how his body build was and the color of his hair.
Det. Kim Davis: Did you see it on the news? You haven’t seen anything on the news about this?
Rosetta Grate: No, I know that I talked to a friend, Mendale, and, uh, he told me that it’s all over the news. ‘Was I wanna those?’ Those, that’s one too.
Det. Valerie Homan: That you talked to?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, that…
Det. Valerie Homan: What’s his name?
Rosetta Grate: Mendale, uh, oh god, uh, Linial, uh, [mumbling]
Det. Kim Davis: Where’s he live?
Rosetta Grate: 885—that’s his number, 885-7337. He’s been over at the AA. He’s been clean for six years.
Det. Kim Davis: And he asked—he said it was on the news and asked if you were one of ‘em.
Rosetta Grate: He’s—yeah. Cause he came prove me up to, he—he’s my, uh, AA, over at the Carrie Club.
Det. Kim Davis: What’d you tell him when he asked?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah. He’s like, ‘Girl, you need to—I need to get to you.’ He said, ‘Cause that is all over the news.’
Det. Kim Davis: What kind of car did this officer drive?
Rosetta Grate: The black one. The black police officer—just the, the dark, the black with the white.
Det. Valerie Homan: The old one or the new one?
Rosetta Grate: The new one. It was, the car is black and the painting’s white.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, hold on. Uh... Lost my train of thought.
Det. Valerie Homan: That’s all right. Did you notice anything, uh, that we should be made aware of, of his penis, or, do you remember anything?
Rosetta Grate: Uh, like any bumps or anything on there?
Det. Kim Davis: Or anything. Marks, birthmarks, bumps, was it—piercings, was he circumcised?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, no, there’s no—nothing, no special.
Det. Kim Davis: Nothing? It was just a weenie.
Rosetta Grate: [laughing] yeah [laughing] yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. Uh, did you ever see his name? Did he ever tell you his name?
Rosetta Grate: No.
Det. Valerie Homan: Was he wearing a name tag?
Rosetta Grate: God, I don’t even know. You know, I’m nervous cause I know I’m not supposed to be out there. You know, so that’s what I’m concerned with.
Det. Kim Davis: Right.
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Rosetta Grate: Other than that I probably would’ve been paying—now, how did ya’ll know about, how did ya’ll find about me?
Det. Valerie Homan: Just… we’re just checking all the women on the Eastside…
Det. Kim Davis: We’re running the streets. Mm hmm.
Det. Valerie Homan: …that run the streets. Just take—taking a chance. Making sure everybody’s safe out there. And so, we just kinda came in contact with you and found that information out, so we thought we better come talk to you.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: Panicked there for a minute. I wanna—
Rosetta Grate: So, what’s been going on in the news?
Det. Kim Davis: Well, it was on the news, I just wanted to see if you saw it on the news.
Rosetta Grate: No.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. I want a DNA sample from you.
Rosetta Grate: Okay.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. [shuffling] And it’s, like I said, it’s for this case so you have to give me permission to take it. So, I—Rosetta Grate, right?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, and the—Kim Davis, that’s me, I’m a Detective and we’re at the Oklahoma County Jail and you’re gonna let me take buccal swabs with just Q-tips on the inside of your mouth.
Rosetta Grate: Okay.
Det. Kim Davis: For your DNA. Sign, right there. And then I’ll date it. Cause I don’t know what today is.
Rosetta Grate: [pen scratching] Where are ya’ll uh, offering, uh, rehab to?
Det. Kim Davis: If someone needs it, we’re offering it. Do you think you need it?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: I will talk to the DA tomorrow and see what we can do for you.
Rosetta Grate: A long time one?
Det. Kim Davis: Huh?
Rosetta Grate: A long time?
Det. Kim Davis: I don’t know, sweetie, do you want a long time one? Is that what you need? Have you been to rehab before?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, but it was a short stay.
Det. Kim Davis: But it was what?
Rosetta Grate: It was a short time.
Det. Kim Davis: Do you need a long one? Just open. [paper shuffling]
Det. Valerie Homan: Where’s your momma?
Rosetta Grate: Down on the south side. Over by O Triple C.
Det. Valerie Homan: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: We like your daddy.
Rosetta Grate: Do you?
Det. Kim Davis: Yeah.
Rosetta Grate: [laughter]
Det. Kim Davis: He’s very nice. Who’s that female that lives with him?
Rosetta Grate: Michelle.
Det. Kim Davis: Is that, like, his girlfriend or?
Det. Valerie Homan: Did you tell Michelle?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Valerie Homan: She like the police?
Det. Kim Davis: Did I poke you? Sorry. You kinda jumped.
Rosetta Grate: I don’t know.
Det. Valerie Homan: Cause she said, ‘Oh no, she didn’t tell me.’
Rosetta Grate: Hmm, she [inaudible]. Probably not.
Det. Valerie Homan: What’s that brown on her face? What’s that caused by?
Rosetta Grate: I don’t know. Maybe where she’s—she does smoke.
Det. Valerie Homan: We were wondering.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah. She coulda been high. That’s why I try not to go over there.
Det. Kim Davis: Cause that doesn’t help.
Rosetta Grate: No.
Det. Kim Davis: If you’re trying to be better. Got any questions?
Rosetta Grate: I don’t know.
Det. Valerie Homan: What do you think should happen?
Rosetta Grate: With the guy? Well, that shouldn’t happen because they made me, I don’t know, even though it’s, you know, it just doesn’t matter how good looking and all this stuff, it d—it did something, I, and I still couldn’t tell you what it is. It just, I guess it made me feel like I couldn’t, you know, like, it just took something away. And then, like, every time I see police, I do—I definitely don’t feel the same about ‘em. I mean I, and I might be wrong, like…
43:20
Det. Valerie Homan: Well, w—w—we’re very sorry for your…
Det. Kim Davis: Yeah.
Det. Valerie Homan: …this happening to you.
Rosetta Grate: I don’t know, maybe in the long sense, I’m trying to start giving up. Does that make sense?
Det. Kim Davis: Well, you didn’t have—
Rosetta Grate: Because I always heard it. Will never let me live it down. So, now I’m constantly hearing it at home. ‘Bringing that—if that—you had never been out there that officer would never been up here, bringing him into my home.’ It’s just constant nagging there, and then, I don’t know. Every time I think about it, it’s just, like, it’s—it was—it’s not fair.
Det. Kim Davis: No, it’s not fair.
Det. Valerie Homan: Unh uh.
Det. Kim Davis: That—you hit the nail on the head there. It’s not fair.
Rosetta Grate: I—
Det. Kim Davis: He abused his power. And…
Rosetta Grate: Where’s he at now?
Det. Kim Davis: In jail.
Rosetta Grate: Is he?
Det. Kim Davis: Mm hmm.
Rosetta Grate: He’s up here?
Det. Kim Davis: Mm hmm. Yep. Do you know any other girls that we need to talk to?
Rosetta Grate: Uh, Shardeen’s momma. I don’t know what her last name is. I don’t even know her first name. She said, she said her momma. That’s…
Det. Kim Davis: Shardeen’s momma. Who’s Shardeen?
Rosetta Grate: Shardeena, she’s light skinned, or like, brown skin, tall, green eyes.
Det. Kim Davis: And it’s--
Det. Valerie Homan: Sharlena or…
Rosetta Grate: Sharl—
Det. Valerie Homan: Sharlena or Shardena?
Rosetta Grate: Shardena.
Det. Kim Davis: And it happened to Shardena or Shardena’s momma?
Rosetta Grate: Her momma.
Det. Kim Davis: How do you know? What happe—what?
Rosetta Grate: She—cause he said something about me.
Det. Kim Davis: Huh?
Rosetta Grate: He said, she—she told me that he told her that I was working for him.
Det. Kim Davis: But did he assault Shardena’s momma?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: If we, we’ll try to fin—who’s Shar—how do we find Shardena? Has she been in the County before?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: I mean, cause that’s kind of a different name.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: We might be able to run her that way and find her.
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Do you know Shardena’s number?
Rosetta Grate: I don’t even know where she stay at. I don’t know nothing.
Det. Kim Davis: But Shardena’s the black female with green eyes.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, she’s been in and out of here. Or, she got out of prison, I think the beginning of last year after three years.
Det. Kim Davis: And it’s her momma that got assaulted?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Valerie Homan: Where’s she stay?
Rosetta Grate: I don’t—here and there.
Det. Valerie Homan: Where did—where were you at when you found this out?
Rosetta Grate: Fifteenth and High.
Det. Valerie Homan: Was Shardena over there hanging out?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Valerie Homan: Is she working?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, she works.
Det. Kim Davis: She smoke?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. Is her momma a smoker?
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Wh—do you know anybody else?
Det. Valerie Homan: Do you know a girl that stays over off of roughly about Fifteenth and something that goes by Fats?
Rosetta Grate: A girl?
Det. Valerie Homan: Fats. The nickname Fats.
Rosetta Grate: I never heard of that name, but I don’t know.
Det. Valerie Homan: I—I hadn’t heard of that name either. But we p—
Det. Kim Davis: Do you want this in here or will y—that make you uncomfortable? Let me write Valerie’s number on the back too, in case you need—you can call us collect if we’re not at our desk and we know we got a collect call then we’ll know it’s from you and we’ll come over. If we’re there, we’ll answer it. [writing] My name is on there.
46:33
Det. Valerie Homan: Did you have this warrant when he stopped you and assaulted you?
Rosetta Grate: No, I was doing my program.
Det. Valerie Homan: Okay.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: But I’m ne—it was never the same going back out there. [laughing]
Det. Valerie Homan: No.
Rosetta Grate: Now I’m constantly looking over my shoulder and I don’t know.
Det. Kim Davis: Are those Stayfree maxi pads in your shoes?
Rosetta Grate: Oh, those are that lady, that, uh, lady’s, yeah, but those are pads.
Det. Kim Davis: [laughing] She’s got pads in her shoes to make them softer, I guess.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, these things is hard.
Det. Kim Davis: [laughing]
Rosetta Grate: [inaudible] hurt.
Det. Kim Davis: Good idea.
Rosetta Grate: Okay, so your name is Valerie and—
Det. Kim Davis: That’s Valerie and I’m Kim.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, cause daddy gave me this.
Det. Kim Davis: Mm hmm.
Rosetta Grate: Um…
Det. Kim Davis: But you didn’t call us.
Rosetta Grate: I did. Twice. I left messages on both ya’lls phone. Yes, I did. I left messages on both—I had even text on one. Text one of ‘em. Yes, I did.
Det. Kim Davis: I never got no messages.
Det. Valerie Homan: When?
Rosetta Grate: Soon as daddy gave me the card. Maybe a week and a half, two weeks ago at the most. At the most.
Det. Valerie Homan: From what phone?
Rosetta Grate: Uh, Kevin’s phone. A 328 number.
Det. Kim Davis: I never woulda got—cause I’d have been excited if I’d had got a message.
Rosetta Grate: Yes, I did. I’m positive. I’m one hundred ten percent positive, because I was like…
Det. Kim Davis: I’m not—I—I believe you, I’m just…
Rosetta Grate: And I told daddy, I said, ‘They never even called me back.’
Det. Valerie Homan: Do you have the main line number on there? 297-1133.
Det. Kim Davis: I don’t think so. Nope. It’s mine.
Det. Valerie Homan: Hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: All right. If you need us, call us. I will talk to the DA tomorrow about getting you in some rehab. Okay?
Rosetta Grate: Okay.
Det. Kim Davis: If you need something else, call us. We’ll get you in counseling if you need that too.
Rosetta Grate: Okay.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay? Your comforter’s been washed. You’re sure of it?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. What about your clothes that you were wearing?
Rosetta Grate: My neighbor could have seen something. You might wanna ask my neighbor. She’s a white, older lady.
Det. Kim Davis: Could have seen him in your drive way or something?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. All right.
Det. Valerie Homan: Which neighbor?
Rosetta Grate: The white lady across the street. Uh… seven.
Det. Kim Davis: I gotta stand up just—I’m not rushing you. I’m just standing cause my back’s hurting.
Det. Valerie Homan: Uh, why, is she a nosybody or something?
Det. Kim Davis: How long do you think he was in, he was at your house, parked in your driveway?
Rosetta Grate: At least thirty minutes. At least.
[inaudible dialogue in background]
Rosetta Grate: It, it really looked abnormal. I mean, he was parked. There was no cars in the driveway. He was parked up, like, he just lived there.
Det. Kim Davis: Went up close?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah. Up close.
Det. Valerie Homan: What time of day? It was daylight?
Rosetta Grate: Daytime.
Det. Valerie Homan: Like, day time, like, two in the afternoon, or day time, like, 6:00pm.
Rosetta Grate: [pause] It was probably more toward six than two. More probably, like, four or five, so… it was still daylight.
Det. Valerie Homan: Did he make any small talk with you? Do you remember anything he might have…
Rosetta Grate: In the car. As far as my head jobs and stuff. [inaudible]
Det. Kim Davis: About dates.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah. Hmm. How many women so far? Have ya’ll find out?
49:42
Det. Valerie Homan: We’re still in the process…
Det. Kim Davis: We’re still—we still got more to talk to.
Det. Valerie Homan: …of the investigation so we don’t have a number now.
Rosetta Grate: Wow. Was it one that came forward or how did it—how did everybody?
Det. Kim Davis: Yeah, somebody came forward. Was how it started. So, we’re still working it, but if you need us, you call us. And, I’ll—like I said, we might come back after we talk to the DA.
Rosetta Grate: Okay.
Det. Kim Davis: About your rehab and stuff.
Rosetta Grate: Okay.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay?
Rosetta Grate: Okay. All right.
[Det. Kim Davis and Det. Valerie Homan chat indistinctly as they leave room]
[RECORDING ENDS]
Host: Almost a week after this first interview concluded, Detective Davis notes in her file that Rosetta called again from the jail. She said she had "had time to sober up and had information that could be valuable". Detectives Davis and Homan once again returned to the Oklahoma County Jail and interviewed Rosetta Grate for a second time. The following is the audio recording of that interview and it's approximately twenty-six minutes long.
[RECORDING BEGINS]
Rosetta Grate: Well, I was talking last time, and, you have to understand that, that I was with someone when this happened. I mean, I’m still kinda with him. The house that it happened in.
Det. Valerie Homan: Willie?
Rosetta Grate: Well, the one that [laughing]
Det. Valerie Homan: Doesn’t like us.
Rosetta Grate: He, he does. He’s just, he lived at, you know, my brother called about the, he probably thought that when the warrant for the violation cause I hadn’t…
Det. Valerie Homan: Oh.
Rosetta Grate: …been doing my drug program. And, uh, anyways, he’s just, I don’t know. He’s a really nice person. Don’t let him fool you.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: And so [laughing] it would work in the house though, that, uh, when the—I just didn’t bring it up cause I didn’t, you know, I know how Will is and, uh, how the people on the block watch him or whatever and, you know, he doesn’t want nothing in his business. But I know that when was messing around and the officer, that, like, around my bedding, around my bed is the boards and stuff, I remember that I—there was a desk right here and then there was a chair, and I—the chair was kinda, like, in the way, and I remembered that he pushed it. And I, nobody ever sits in the chair. So I thought on that one that might still have his fingerprints cause don’t nobody ever go in the room, like, cause we didn’t sleep in separate rooms.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: You know after, like, the fourth relapse he was, like, ‘You are moving to this other room,’ okay. So the other room was full of books and, of the lady that passed away there, it was full of nothing but books and stuff. And then on the rail, when he had scooted me up some, I—you know so he could, I guess, adjust himself—uh, I remember that afterwards, uh, you know, I was putting my thing in, but, you know, during sex, I’m trying to talk—
Det. Kim Davis: Just say it.
Rosetta Grate: I know.
Det. Kim Davis: You’re not gonna gross us out. It’s okay. Just take… Relax. It’s okay. Just…
Rosetta Grate: [inaudible due to crying]
Det. Kim Davis: It’s all right, just relax.
52:48
Rosetta Grate: [sobbing] I just wanna get it out, cause it’s just, like, anyways, uh, you know, I was trying to, like, wipe or whatever. I remember cause I do this a lot, like, when I don’t—when there’s no protection involved, like, I’ll try to wipe whatever. And I know it’s—cause he’s the only man I’ve ever messed with in the house, and Will knows about it and he’s still upset about it, but, so, along that wooden ledge around the bed, like…
Det. Valerie Homan: The runner? Are you talking about the base? That?
Det. Kim Davis: The bed skirt?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, and then, and then the chair when I know I got back up, I know that I never wiped that, those areas.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, what area did you—what did you use to wipe vagina off with?
Rosetta Grate: A towel. And the towel was an old one out the closet. I had just grabbed it cause I was nervous cause I hadn’t been home in maybe about three or four days and I knew that Will was gonna be upset so I threw it in there but I never touched—I never got back in the closet.
Det. Kim Davis: So, is there a towel in the closet that [inaudible]?
Rosetta Grate: I’m su—pretty sure there’s, that’s what came to mind. That—that’s what came to mind.
Det. Kim Davis: What color was the towel?
Rosetta Grate: I think it was… I’m so use to the white ones with, like, a stripe through it, but it was a rag. If it’s not, it’s just the, the, w—a rag up in there.
Det. Valerie Homan: Like, like, like a washcloth…
Det. Kim Davis: Like a hand towel or a washcloth…
Det. Valerie Homan: …or a body towel?
Det. Kim Davis: …Or yeah, a towel towel?
Rosetta Grate: No, not a big towel.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: And I don’t remember it being, like, the washcloth. It was, like, kinda like the towel.
Det. Valerie Homan: Like a hand towel?
Rosetta Grate: Like a hand towel.
Det. Valerie Homan: Like a dishtowel from the kitchen?
Rosetta Grate: Like a dishtowel from the kitchen. I remember the white one with the strip.
Det. Valerie Homan: Where did you throw it in your closet?
Rosetta Grate: Just in the closet. I don’t know.
Det. Kim Davis: What color was it?
Rosetta Grate: I’m thinking it’s white, with, like, the blue markings.
Det. Kim Davis: With a, so it has a stripe.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: And it’s in that closet in the room that you sleep in?
Rosetta Grate: Yes, yeah.
Det. Valerie Homan: Have you talked to Willie about this?
Det. Kim Davis: Is he gonna let us in the house to go get it?
Rosetta Grate: I—I don’t know. I don’t know. I haven’t…
Det. Valerie Homan: You’re gonna talk him into letting us. Can you call him?
Rosetta Grate: I have not. I called him the first because I know that—I know, I mean I know that…
Det. Kim Davis: Tell me—
Rosetta Grate: You know what I’m saying.
Det. Kim Davis: Tell me this—
Rosetta Grate: I go to court on the sixteenth, uh…
Det. Kim Davis: Tell me this, cause I’m a little confused that you were talking about the railing around the bed.
Rosetta Grate: Okay, you know the, the bed.
Det. Kim Davis: Draw it. Draw it.
[paper shuffling]
Rosetta Grate: Okay.
Det. Kim Davis: Oh, you’re a leftie too. Holy crap, there’s a lot of lefties in this case.
Det. Valerie Homan: We’re all lefties.
Rosetta Grate: Are you serious?
Det. Kim Davis: Yeah.
Rosetta Grate: Wow. [laughing] It’s not always, remember it used to be always righties.
Det. Valerie Homan: [inaudible]
Det. Kim Davis: Power to the leftie.
Det. Valerie Homan: Yep.
Rosetta Grate: You got my bed, right?
Det. Valerie Homan: Mm hmm.
Rosetta Grate: Okay.
Det. Kim Davis: Where’s the pillows?
Rosetta Grate: Okay.
Det. Kim Davis: Show me, where all the pillows.
Rosetta Grate: We’re facing…
Det. Kim Davis: You face to wherever you want.
Rosetta Grate: Okay, you come in, we’re gonna come in, this is the door. [phone chime]
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Okay.
Det. Valerie Homan: Where’s your headboard?
Rosetta Grate: The headboard. I don’t—there’s not a headboard.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Well, there is.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, where’s the pillows?
Rosetta Grate: There’s a headboard right here. The pillows is right here.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: There’s, uh, there was two—uh, there—there was four, but I’m sure he snatched his back. I always go snatch his, his two pillows [inaudible] to get on his, uh, nerves. And so, there’s a dresser right here and a chair that doesn’t fit into the dresser that’s why it sticks out funny.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Okay, and I remembered that that was kinda like about right here and he had pushed it back.
56:06
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: See, it’s, it’s a, uh, it’s like this, but it, you know, it’s not leather. I take that ba—it might be leather.
Det. Kim Davis: It’s a vinyl.
Rosetta Grate: I don’t know. It, not really lea—no, leather.
Det. Kim Davis: Vinyl maybe?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah. [phone notification] Cause I don’t know. I’m a terrible [inaudible] to describe a chair to.
Det. Kim Davis: Mm hmm.
Rosetta Grate: That’s my daughter. Okay, so but he pushed it back and so I was performing the oral, like, right here.
Det. Kim Davis: So you were at the foot of the bed?
Rosetta Grate: Yes.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: I was performing oral. Okay. And so, I think, he wasn’t maybe clean clean, but I didn’t have time, so I did that. So I’m thinking that that’s still, you know what I’m saying, when they’re not…
Det. Kim Davis: Did he ejaculate in your mouth?
Rosetta Grate: No.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: When they’re not clean clean and I’ll start, then I’ll—there’ll be like, uh, fuzzies or maybe hairs and I’ll do that. So, I’m thinking the back of the chair, as long as the chair’s still staying right there, could be…
Det. Valerie Homan: So, did you, like this and?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, you know, cause it’s, it’s nasty.
Det. Kim Davis: Where’d you wipe it?
Rosetta Grate: Onto the chair cause I was pushing [inaudible].
Det. Kim Davis: On the chair.
Rosetta Grate: [inaudible] I’m telling you cause this is a good thing.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Okay, I’d check it because it wa—it was not the most, uh, nicest experience. Okay. And, uh, and then it happened in [inaudible] home so you know I, it was, like, I think that’s—that’s pretty much when I started just going downhill cause he was always saying every day he would wake up and say something about that and I was pretty much... So, that’s when I went out the door. Cause, like, my relapses would last maybe, a couple hours and then maybe, you know, it was a couple days a date, that time, it’s just like… Anyways, uh, okay, so then, that wasn’t enough, he wanted to do it.
Det. Kim Davis: Mm hmm.
Rosetta Grate: So, I don’t remember what I had on, okay? I really don’t honestly remember what I had on, so I don’t know if it could be, you know what I’m saying… I mean, I wiped, don’t make it seem like I’m a dirty person, but…
Det. Valerie Homan: You’re not.
Rosetta Grate: For some reason that day, the stuff, I was just kinda throwing it places.
Det. Valerie Homan: Mm hmm.
Rosetta Grate: Does that make sense?
Det. Valerie Homan: Mm hmm.
Rosetta Grate: Cause I was, I knew I had did wrong by bringing him to—by bringing him in there, you know, or having the man in there, or him coming in on his own, whichever way you wanna label that. Cause he was, like, if I had never relapsed, it would have never happened, that’s the way [inaudible].
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, you gotta quit blaming yourself that this happened, because he’s the one totally in the wrong. I’m not saying, I’m—I’m sad that you relapsed, and no you shouldn’t have, that has nothing to do with him taking advantage of you—of you. He wears a uniform and a badge and a gun and he’s supposed to protect you, not hurt you, no matter what state of affairs you’re in.
Rosetta Grate: I know.
Det. Kim Davis: So you need to quit blaming yourself.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, but Will, kinda [inaudible] I don’t know, he just kinda, like, if I wouldn’t ever relapse this…
Det. Kim Davis: Well, sorry.
Det. Valerie Homan: Well, maybe, you know what, maybe we can talk to Willie and sit down—cause we didn’t tell him anything when we met him, that’s probably why he wasn’t too forthcoming with us, cause he probably didn’t know why we were there.
59:03
Rosetta Grate: If yeah, if you just talk to him, cause he’s the sweetest person in the world. You—you know what I’m saying… he’s been there for my daughter and everything and I hate that…
Det. Valerie Homan: We’ll talk to him. We’ll talk to him. So, tell us about the next act.
Rosetta Grate: Okay. Then I laid back. And he didn’t—of course there was no protection, okay, so… but I wasn’t, he had pulled me up. And I…
Det. Kim Davis: To get your cooch to the edge of the bed?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah. [laughing]
Det. Kim Davis: Well, let’s just say that [inaudible]
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, to bring my stuff to the edge of the bed so he could reach. And I remember that I had grabbed that—something out the chair, so pay attention to the chair.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Whatever. There’s, uh, if the chair’s, if he’s moved ch—there’s only one chair upstairs like that so anyways, that’s the chair. I would just take the whole chair and just do the whole top of it.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Det. Valerie Homan: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: The whole thing, cause I don’t think Will has wiped that chair down. Uh, okay, so when he pushed me up on—uh, pulled my thing out, I remember it’s some—it’s still something about the chair, but I also remember I grabbed the siding, the side of the bed. You know the…
Det. Valerie Homan: The wood railing?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, like, uh, it’s not, uh, wood railing, but it’s like, uh, it’s not wood, it’s, the mattress is hard.
Det. Kim Davis: Oh, the box springs.
Rosetta Grate: Yes.
Det. Valerie Homan: You grabbed the side of the box springs.
Rosetta Grate: And there’s plastic still on it though.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay. That’s fine.
Rosetta Grate: There’s plastic still on it.
Det. Valerie Homan: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Okay.
Det. Valerie Homan: So you grabbed that box spring?
Rosetta Grate: Yes, because the comforter, that’s what I—cause the comforter’s white and I was c—concerned about if Will would, you know, I’m thinking a hundred d—different things at this moment, you know, like, Will’s gonna walk in and see this, and you know, saying, and, anyways… I, the rag, so the rag in the closet.
Det. Valerie Homan: O—hold so, lead, lead us up to it. So, after he makes you have sex with him, then—he, I guess, I’m assuming he’s putting his penis back in his pants.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Valerie Homan: Then you get up and where do you get the rag from?
Rosetta Grate: Off of the—my dresser, cause it’s, it’s, like, the dusting rag.
Det. Valerie Homan: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: That’s why I remember it being white at the ble—the blue strip.
Det. Valerie Homan: Okay.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: And I remember I just, kinda, you know, just, uh, thing it, and I threw it in the closet.
Det. Valerie Homan: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Shut the door, okay? I have not been back in that closet since. [laughing]
Det. Kim Davis: Do you think there could be stuff on the box springs?
Rosetta Grate: There’s nothing in that…
Det. Kim Davis: On the plastic of the box springs?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: Why do you think that?
Rosetta Grate: Because, I had pulled up the comforter.
Det. Kim Davis: Cause you didn’t want to get anything on the comforter.
Rosetta Grate: Right. I was trying not to get nothing on the comforter cause it’s white.
Det. Kim Davis: Mm hmm.
Det. Valerie Homan: Then, is your bed with the box spring, plus the mattress?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Valerie Homan: Or are, you do sleep on the box spring?
Rosetta Grate: No, it’s the box spring plus the mattress.
Det. Valerie Homan: But you’re touching the box springs.
Rosetta Grate: Yes.
Det. Kim Davis: Not the mattress.
Rosetta Grate: Right. Because I, the plastic is, which one that has the plastic is the box spring, I believe.
Det. Kim Davis: Right.
Det. Valerie Homan: Bottom or top?
Rosetta Grate: It has to be the bottom one.
Det. Valerie Homan: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Cause it’s not very high off the ground.
Det. Valerie Homan: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Okay. And I…
Det. Valerie Homan: Are you off the ground or is it laying on the ground?
Rosetta Grate: I’m off the ground.
Det. Valerie Homan: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: No, no. It’s not off the ground. It…
Det. Kim Davis: Can you slide stuff under your bed?
Rosetta Grate: No.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Det. Valerie Homan: Okay, so the mattress/box springs on the bed.
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: So, yeah, we took that off because the bed was, like, a older bed. But it’s, looks real nice and plushed out, pretty. He makes things pretty. So, when you go to my closet [laughing] I mean, I’m comfortable now cause I’m—he knows, he knows about it, so it’s not like I’m hiding anything, it’s just kind of like it’s like everything’s wide, undone. But my spirit won’t let me rest. Does that make sense?
1:02:34
Det. Kim Davis: Your what?
Rosetta Grate: My spirit’s not letting me rest on…
Det. Valerie Homan: That’s okay.
Det. Kim Davis: It’s okay.
Rosetta Grate: So…
Det. Kim Davis: So, chair, rag, and plastic on the box springs.
Rosetta Grate: Yes, I want you pay attention to around the edge, oh, around, okay, this, this, bottom ri—round right here. Cause that’s what? Bout the middle of the bed to this end.
Det. Kim Davis: And you used this hand to wipe?
Det. Valerie Homan: Where’s the closet at? Like…
Rosetta Grate: Right in front of the bed. When you walk into my room. Okay, you gonna walk upstairs and it’s gonna be the room to your right. Right here. Not this way right. There’s four rooms upstairs. Okay, you’re gonna walk upstairs and it’s gonna be a room to your right and then a room diagonal to your right and then his room and then another room.
Det. Kim Davis: So, it’s the second room on your right?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, it’s gonna be the one in front of you to the right, okay? So, you’re gonna open the door and the bed’s gonna be right there. You’re gonna have a bunch of books. It’s the only room with a million books in there. The bed’s right here. So when you walk to the bed, it’s gonna be from the middle of the bed…
Det. Kim Davis: To the right.
Rosetta Grate: From the middle of the bed to the right.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Everything that [inaudible]
Det. Valerie Homan: And the desk is right here.
Rosetta Grate: And another thing is he doesn’t have a vacuum so, you know, I’m just saying if anything’s on the floor, whatever, just ig—I don’t know what ya’ll, but…
Det. Kim Davis: Did you see, like, his weenie drip anything on the floor? Cause you know sometimes it…
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, it does.
Det. Kim Davis: Mm hmm.
Rosetta Grate: I don’t know. It may could have, but, you know, I just…
Det. Kim Davis: Or, is there carpet in that room?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Valerie Homan: Did you, uh, you know what it feels like when someone ejaculates inside.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Valerie Homan: Did you feel that?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, I know he did. That’s why I wiped with the thing.
Det. Valerie Homan: Okay. Uh, what’s gonna else is gonna be in that closet? Is any of your clothes and stuff?
Det. Kim Davis: Is the closet full or is there just gonna be a rag?
Rosetta Grate: No, okay, the closet is like this, just shelf cases when you first open the closet, there’s, like, uh, drawers, like, maybe about nine drawers, and then at the top part just, uh, I’m, I’m thinking in my mind it’s, it’s gonna be sitting on top, like, right there somewhere. You know. But I told you my daughter’s been in there, but I don’t know why she would get in that closet, I’m just saying, if there’s any, if there’s anything…
Det. Kim Davis: We’ll…
Rosetta Grate: But I have a couple, just a couple of outfits to the right on the bar, but nothing major…
Det. Valerie Homan: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Like I said cause I never used the closet for anything.
Det. Valerie Homan: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: You know what I’m saying cause it’s got one of them old, older smells to it.
Det. Valerie Homan: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: And you’re positive that the comforter’s been washed?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, the comforter’s been washed.
Det. Kim Davis: But you don’t think you got anything on the comforter cause you pulled it back.
Rosetta Grate: Right.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah. Especially when I was trying to wipe my hand off when, you know, when you’re trying to wipe that—that’s why I raised, you know, everybody thinks I was trying to, like, wipe my hand on something besides the comforter, that makes sense? Cause ya’ll…
Det. Valerie Homan: [inaudible] six?
Rosetta Grate: No.
Det. Valerie Homan: So you were just trying to wipe it off on the plastic?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, well, yeah, yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: Cause you went, and then it…
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Okay, and so, I wanted ya’ll to focus on the chair and the rag in the closet. Just in case, I may have went back and moved the rag, try my second and third drawer. Second and third drawer.
1:05:58
Det. Valerie Homan: In the closet?
Det. Kim Davis: In this dresser?
Rosetta Grate: Of, no, of my dresser’s next to my bed.
Det. Valerie Homan: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: [pause] Okay. Second and third drawer in my dresser next to the bed.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: Okay, so we got the chair.
Det. Valerie Homan: Side of the bed.
Rosetta Grate: Chair on the side of the bed. [laughing] Cause I really [inaudible] it did. It’s, it’s a, it was an emotional affect. Uh, and then the rag in the closet. And then the [inaudible] too. So those are the two most important things that I thought that ya’ll could use if you’re…
Det. Kim Davis: Mm hmm.
Rosetta Grate: …determined for some type of evidence. Because, I mean, [clears throat] I just kinda came back this last month because of how intense things got, thi—things got really intense on, he, that, so when you go talk to him about that, you know, he’s, I know that hurt his feelings. You know I waited, who’s feelings did it not hurt, but, I’m what, I’m just like that, I’m mostly telling everybody that we okay, so this is…
Det. Kim Davis: Okay, you need to quit worrying about Willie, he’s needs to get over it. You need to quit blaming yourself for this, because it’s not your fault.
Rosetta Grate: I know, but it’s just, like, the whole time it was just, like, if I had notta relapsed, he was mean about it, I mean, you know, it that area, and I just was, like, I felt like that, I, maybe I coulda tried harder not to relapse. You know, I don’t really know.
Det. Kim Davis: Well, we’re gonna hopefully get you into that rehab.
Det. Valerie Homan: Well, and from this point forward, you just look forward, don’t look backwards.
Det. Kim Davis: Yeah, you can’t look back.
Det. Valerie Homan: Cause you can’t change what, you relapsed or you didn’t relapse. It doesn’t matter if you were sober or you were ten sheets to the wind, what he did to you was wrong.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, you know, cause, I mean, it d—it did. It, it’s just, like, even though I was relapsing, I was, felt like I was pulling out of it, cause usually when I relapse I’m down, I’m out there. You know what I’m saying, it’s just, like, I can’t come back in, but I was being able to come back in because it was a, a peaceful environment, and it’s just, like, once that happened, it’s just, like…
Det. Valerie Homan: It invaded your own home.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, cause you’ll see from that, you’ll, you’ll see, like, basically, that’s when I fell off. That was, you know, sometime in May, and, and I hadn’t been back since June 1st to the program. So I got June, July, and August, three months. And I was doing good. I had phased. I was at Phase Two. You know.
Det. Valerie Homan: Mm hmm.
Rosetta Grate: Me and Erica Hahn. I don’t know if you know her at the probation office. She’s my probation officer.
Det. Valerie Homan: Well, you’ll be back there. You will. I think you are confident enough in yourself that you don’t wanna go back and do that again.
Rosetta Grate: No, I don’t. And I have a granddaughter. That’s what you’ll see. They’ll see her room across cause my g—daughter’s gonna get her back on next month, like, well, cause, see her and her boy, first she had her and then he took her to court and he got visitation, then she moved in with him, now they took her from him, and she had to take him to court. They are real—it’s just, for her to be seventeen she’s going through a lot with my granddaughter. And Will went and got a whole room, you’ll see, but…
1:09:13
Det. Kim Davis: He sounds like a pretty decent guy.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah. [crying]
Det. Valerie Homan: How long have ya’ll dated?
Rosetta Grate: Like, uh, two and a half years. Yeah, he’s really good too. He’s really trying to help my daughter, you know, she’s night school, you know, so I was proud of her. Cause I only had enough for one phone call so I called my daughter and, uh, cause I mean I passed out first few days, I was just tired. I just… I [inaudible]
Det. Kim Davis: So, have you talked to Will since you’ve been in here?
Rosetta Grate: For one minute. For the, the—
Det. Kim Davis: That free one minute thing?
Rosetta Grate: But the only thing I’m doing is crying. I was, like, I know, apologize, I know, apologize, and his phone’s [inaudible]. I mean, all did it, I was just apologizing, cause he didn’t, uh, when I talked to my daughter he said he, she’s gon—she tell him how to put some money, you know, cause I, he wouldn’t put some money on my phone. Will had said but, nobody, nobody put no money, but you know I’m not fixing to stress nobody out because I know that my addiction is tiring.
Det. Kim Davis: Mm hmm.
Rosetta Grate: [crying] I just knew what I had, but I do wanna [inaudible] and, and I was ashamed, you know what I’m saying, and I’m, like, after that I’m getting high and I’m, like, constantly looking, you know, like, it was sorta, last incident with the police, it was just being scared. You know, not knowing, cause you’re high, you don’t know if it’s gonna be a police thing or a [sigh] [inaudible] thing. You know?
Det. Valerie Homan: Mm hmm.
Rosetta Grate: And I had read the, uh, uh, on the paper. There was a paper setting out about—I thou—I think my scene was bad, I guess it was talking about someone, about they—he made her do to in the backseat and then took her to some abandoned location and then made her do this. So I guess mine ain’t the worstest scene in this scenario. So, I, I was…
Det. Valerie Homan: They’re all bad.
Det. Kim Davis: Yeah.
Det. Valerie Homan: They’re all bad.
Rosetta Grate: So, I could imagine what she feels like, you know, cause that was even more scary. You know, cause you don’t know if you’re in the car seat, or out the car seat. You don’t know what he’s gonna do. At that point you don’t know if they could kill you, you know what I’m saying, get away with it. Cause when you’re high, you’re in a different…
Det. Valerie Homan: Right.
Det. Kim Davis: Mm hmm.
Rosetta Grate: …state of mind anyway, you know, then, uh, did, did ya’ll getta find that lady, Shardene’s momma?
Det. Kim Davis: We haven’t even tried yet.
Det. Valerie Homan: No, we’ve been so busy.
Det. Kim Davis: Sharlene?
Rosetta Grate: Sharlene or Shardene. Sharlene. She’s real tall, got heads on her eyes. I—i…
Det. Kim Davis: Well, we haven’t, we [inaudible]
Det. Valerie Homan: [inaudible] Shardena or something.
Rosetta Grate: Shardena!
Det. Kim Davis: Yeah. That’s what…
Det. Valerie Homan: Okay, okay, okay.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, her momma.
Det. Kim Davis: We haven’t. We’re gonna try. We got a list of stuff to do on it, but we’re still working on the yucky part of it. The paperwork part of it. So…
Rosetta Grate: Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: We—we’ll go look for her.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, cause, uh, he’s the one that told her that, uh, I was working for him or something, and, you know, just putting my name out there in the streets bad.
1:12:08
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: So, they were trying to s—you know, uh, uh, I guess say I was working for him.
Det. Kim Davis: Like, like, he was a pimp, working for him? Or how did you…
Rosetta Grate: I guess, like, I took it as working for the police.
Det. Kim Davis: Oh, as a snitch.
Rosetta Grate: Yeah. Yeah.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: And things weren’t good for me.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: So, uh, yeah. Uh…
Det. Valerie Homan: We need a phone number on Willie just in case?
Det. Kim Davis: Does he have a phone number? Willie?
Rosetta Grate: Oh, 405-249-4072. Yeah, just, when you talk to him, that’s all…
Det. Kim Davis: Do you think he’ll let us come in and get that stuff?
Rosetta Grate: If you just talk to him. Yeah, you know, make sure you, like, when you’re talking to him, make sure you let him know that, you know, that you have talked to me.
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: And that that’s exactly where the areas was at cause I don’t know if he might, you know, be like, say, ‘We’re just coming to look at the thing.’ Don’t tell him exactly what you’re coming in looking for cause he could be like, ‘Oh, I moved all that’ or whatever. Just make sure, say, ‘She just told us to look in a couple areas in that room.’ You know. You know what I’m saying?
Det. Kim Davis: Yeah, what—what if I tell him that we just wanna take some pictures in that room?
Rosetta Grate: Yeah, then, you know, say that and then look around because I don’t know how, where his, uh, feelings, that’s why I was, like, if ya’ll haven’t done it by the sixteenth, hopefully, you know, they j—keep me in program and maybe, uh, it’s just County time. Or some people just, some people they give thirty days to, some people they, uh, you know, they get right back out that day, or maybe, uh, cause it’s my second mess up on the program. So…
Det. Kim Davis: Okay.
Rosetta Grate: And, uh, they still haven’t filed the misdemeanors, so, I don’t know, uh, what they’re gonna put on me on that one, but I know that I had called that Rose Rock myself. Or not called em, put my thing in, so, I don’t know if they’re gonna, uh, hold me here, if they do, cause I’m still gonna ask for rehab. Cause I feel like, uh, I want to, I—I mean I know I can go out there and work and do that stuff, but I’m just talking about from the, going from that lifestyle, you know, to fitting back in to the working. Cause I worked all my life. You know. I’ve worked—there’s nothing, eighteen jobs and I have been from customer service rep to waitressing to whatever. If I got, if can’t do it, I learn quick, right? So, I was, like, I do want to go, I want to go to Rose Rock cause it out the city, because, uh, I been to that DRI, but that was like a head, a woman and men’s facility.
Det. Kim Davis: [coughing]
Rosetta Grate: It just didn’t seem as private.
Det. Valerie Homan: Mm hmm.
Rosetta Grate: Anyways, uh, did the…
Det. Valerie Homan: You keep working forward to that, okay? Cause I think that’s a great idea for you.
Det. Kim Davis: Mm hmm. And we talked to the DA and he’s s—checking on getting you into that rehab. To a rehab and I told him it needed to be long term.
Rosetta Grate: That’s what I—I did tell you long term, didn’t I?
Det. Kim Davis: Yep.
Rosetta Grate: Okay.
Det. Kim Davis: And I told him that.
Rosetta Grate: And what’d he say?
Det. Kim Davis: He said okay.
Rosetta Grate: Okay.
Det. Kim Davis: So, m—if he can do it, if anybody can do it, he can do it.
Rosetta Grate: Put me in a rehab?
Det. Kim Davis: Mm hmm.
Rosetta Grate: Mm hmm.
Det. Kim Davis: Yep.
Rosetta Grate: So, like, what—did you tell him I was in the program?
Det. Valerie Homan: We didn’t talk to him about any of that.
Det. Kim Davis: No. Unh uh.
Det. Valerie Homan: We just…
Rosetta Grate: Oh, this is something that he can just do on his own.
Det. Valerie Homan: Well, like…
1:15:38
Det. Kim Davis: Well, he has to get with the Public Defender’s office and, and work it out with them, but they’re never against that. That’s always good.
Det. Valerie Homan: That someone…
Rosetta Grate: You mean…
Det. Valerie Homan: …wants to go to rehab.
Rosetta Grate: Okay. You talking about with my case.
Det. Kim Davis: Yeah.
Rosetta Grate: Okay. I don’t know my Public Defender yet.
Det. Valerie Homan: You know, I don’t either.
Det. Kim Davis: Unh uh.
Rosetta Grate: I don’t know I think this…
Det. Kim Davis: May not even have been assigned yet either for that certain.
Rosetta Grate: Cause this is the sixteenth, but, uh, you know.
Det. Kim Davis: All right, well, let us go get on this. You got any questions or anything else?
Rosetta Grate: No. Is that 701 Colcord, that’s—
Det. Kim Davis: That’s…
Rosetta Grate: If I do wri—if I find, like, if I think about anything else.
Det. Kim Davis: Just call us again.
Rosetta Grate: Cause that was really on my spread and I really pray to God in the name of Jesus that that’s still there.
Det. Valerie Homan: We hope so too.
Rosetta Grate: Okay. I really hope it’s there for ya’ll. I just…
Det. Kim Davis: We do too.
Rosetta Grate: I know. [laughing]
Det. Kim Davis: So, we’re gonna go get on it right now. And you, if, you don’t need to write us, just call us again.
Det. Valerie Homan: Just call us like you did while ago.
Rosetta Grate: Okay.
Det. Kim Davis: We, we, we’re in there. You know, you might have to try a few times but we usually work seven to three.
[voices fading with footsteps]
Rosetta Grate: Okay. Seven to three?
[inaudible]
Det. Kim Davis: 7:00am to 3:00pm.
Rosetta Grate: I just [inaudible]
Det. Valerie Homan: The best though is to call us around 7:20. [indiscernible]
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